Things confirmed on stream

[Federalist girl]

haven't seen the stream. Is the confucian bureaucratic unplayable because it was shown on Western Protectorate, or did they explicitly say that this government is unplayable as a whole for some specific reasons?

I'm guessing it's because it's non-dynastic. It's probably hard coded to cause an instant game over like a theocracy or inland republic.

But as noted, it's fairly trivial to mod a feudal-group government with the same bonuses... a shame it's just otherwise unavailable though.

 

[Oilbird]

Taoism giving +2 stewardship ? Alright, let's find a way to bring it in Europe

This puzzles me a little. Confucianism is certainly about good rulership, but Taoism lends itself to quietism and some of the idlest, most detached rulers they've had. Plus Learning or extra lifestyle traits might've made more sense.

 

[Foreign Alien]

This puzzles me a little. Confucianism is certainly about good rulership, but Taoism lends itself to quietism and some of the idlest, most detached rulers they've had. Plus Learning or extra lifestyle traits might've made more sense.

They already gave Buddhism extra learning so they had to give Taoism something else and since it's an off map religion for a small number of chracters they probably didn't put much thought into it.

 

[Zalmoxis]

This puzzles me a little. Confucianism is certainly about good rulership, but Taoism lends itself to quietism and some of the idlest, most detached rulers they've had. Plus Learning or extra lifestyle traits might've made more sense.

Taoism might represent more than just Taoism, but as a catchall for Chinese religions/philosophies, including Confucianism and Shenism and such.

 

[faiuwle]

Is it possible for a player to swear fealty to the western protectorate?

 

[icedt729]

Is it possible for a player to swear fealty to the western protectorate?

They did confirm that feudal vassals of the protectorate are playable.

 

[Rubidium]

And if you look at the bonuses, it's clearly designed for vassals to be playable (they can't revoke your title without a special reason, and they don't get any opinion bonuses for wrong government/religion, so you can survive reasonably safely as their vassal, at least until you're ready to rebel and kick them back to Cathay).

 

[faiuwle]

That's what I was thinking. If you're small and don't want to be a tributary, it looks like a pretty good option.

 

[klopkr]

Does this mean I can't play as Anxi anymore? Did I just lose my favourite start?

 

[icedt729]

Does this mean I can't play as Anxi anymore? Did I just lose my favourite start?

I think I can accept the pain of losing the Anxi start if it means I'll get actual Han characters instead of having to RP my Khitans as Chinese.

 

[CatilinamSum]

Does this mean I can't play as Anxi anymore? Did I just lose my favourite start?

R.I.P. Saua dynasty: 2015-2017.

You were the best fictional, historically inaccurate, confusingly Mongolian Chinese-Khitan start in CKII. You were also the only one.

 

[klopkr]

R.I.P. Saua dynasty: 2015-2017.

You were the best fictional, historically inaccurate, confusingly Mongolian Chinese-Khitan start in CKII. You were also the only one.

But at least I could play them.

 

[Foreign Alien]

We're getting more provinces though so it'll probably balance out.

 

[Damarrocarion]

Does this mean I can't play as Anxi anymore? Did I just lose my favourite start?

Well, on dev diary screenshot you can see four CoAs under Western Protectorate so I would not lose hope entirely yet.

 

[CatilinamSum]

Well, on dev diary screenshot you can see four CoAs under Western Protectorate so I would not lose hope entirely yet.

They confirmed in that same DD that there are playable Chinese counts in 769 Tarim.

 

[Keizer Harm]

Well, on dev diary screenshot you can see four CoAs under Western Protectorate so I would not lose hope entirely yet.

Given the Confucian Bureaucracy's immense buffs and tyranny immunity though, I think you are pretty screwed as a vassal under them and need to be extremely lucky to gain independence before getting revoked.

 

[spendabuck]

Given the Confucian Bureaucracy's immense buffs and tyranny immunity though, I think you are pretty screwed as a vassal under them and need to be extremely lucky to gain independence before getting revoked.

Rulers with the Confucian Bureaucracy government need a special reason to revoke titles.

 

[Keizer Harm]

Rulers with the Confucian Bureaucracy government need a special reason to revoke titles.

No more than a regular ruler, right? One plot discovered and boom, you're gone.

 

[klopkr]

Well, on dev diary screenshot you can see four CoAs under Western Protectorate so I would not lose hope entirely yet.

Ah you're not wrong. I might have to swear fealty and convert though . I hope that only the top ruler can have the unplayable government type.

We're getting more provinces though so it'll probably balance out.

I guess that's true. I use to roleplay as the protectorate as Anxi so really i guess I just wish i could play as the protectorate. I suppose I get it though because they're probably not dynastic.

 

[Oilbird]

No more than a regular ruler, right? One plot discovered and boom, you're gone.

Plot well, or not at all.