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I totally agree. Colonizing North America is totally impossible right now.
If you know how to use the Enforce Peace mechanic and have any skill at combat, colonizing North America has never been easier. Check out this ironman screenshot from my 1.33 Castile game around 1550:


Every time a tribe or federation attacked, I annexed 15-20 provinces. My colonial nations exploded in size, wealth, and power--and so did I. My map of colonial America is about 200 years ahead of where it should be historically because things are too easy now, not too hard.
 
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The broken thing is that there is a higher chance of NA tribal natives surviving compared to more advanced meso/south American native societies.

I agree that natives should have a chance to survive e.g. if the French got hegemony over North America, they were sending way less settlers than the British, so a situation like Congo and Portugal could arise.

However, what need to be taken into account that the "historically" frustrating thing is seeing some random tribe like Joara becoming gp, while this never happens for Aztecs or Incas, who were in better positions in terms of ability to exercise state power, just because their catch up mechanics are much harder for the ai to go through.

Also, the sheer amount of tags present there makes you have one imperialist war after another, rather than a settler colonial conflict, with frequent coalitions, which make the whole thing just annoying rather than engaging. Tribal land does not interact at all well with this, since you can annex it as a coloniser, creating dev, hence population out of nothing.

Also, treaty of tortillas is just badly designed, since the ai never violates it, usual colonisers sometimes cannot reach na fast enough, since carribean gets blocked of. If it excluded the carribean, it would be much better tbh.
Its because Spain's mission tree gives them free claims on all of south and central America it makes them completely overpowered because they eventually just blob out all of that land in my current India game Spain is a monster its 1520 they're #1 great power they're integrating Portugal because they PUed them as well so soon they'll have all the Portuguese colonies. They blew up so fast they blocked France and Britain from having any influence so they'll quickly control both continents
 
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What's amazing to me is that is not fun to play as a native tribe and not fun to colonize because of those same tribes. For a game relying so heavily on colonization, it's madness to see such a failed core mechanic
After 8 years of 'refining' the game too.
 
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Its because Spain's mission tree gives them free claims on all of south and central America it makes them completely overpowered because they eventually just blob out all of that land in my current India game Spain is a monster its 1520 they're #1 great power they're integrating Portugal because they PUed them as well so soon they'll have all the Portuguese colonies. They blew up so fast they blocked France and Britain from having any influence so they'll quickly control both continents
Nice to see that mission trees being reasonable and not trampling over core, organic game mechanics is a thing. /s
 

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UGH, where do I begin. The Native Americans get WAY to big WAY to fast. There is basically no point to grab expansion ideas... How the fudge dose a tribe of natives make an empire the size of the mamelukes by 1543?!!!

Then if you colonize that area; get ready to constantly enforce peace on them for attacking your colony. I was just playing a chill France game, and I colonized Louisiana. My colony got jumped by a coalition of natives, so I had to go save them. In the middle of the war (That I was the war leader of) half my colony got annexed by a confederation that formed. I got confused and thought they unconditionally surrendered. So I reloaded a save and peace out before half the colony was annexed... Nope they still annexed them though a decision. I've never played a North American tribe, and I don't really care to in the future. So I have no idea what is going on here. But I think its something to do with their stupid tribal land mechanic that the dev's are so fond of (side note; That mechanic SUCKS!)

This glitch is game ruining to me. It just sucks all the fun out of the colonization game. And honestly, unless they remove these stupid North American tribes mechanics; I doubt I'll ever play EU4 again.
You only need cuba anyway
 

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And we're done.

If there is a suggestion here, you can post that. If there is meaningful discussion, we can try again if its framed properly (as more than just a rant).
 
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