They don't even like me, but they made this request?

[WLFobe]

So I'm doing really well, I've the biggest fleet in the game. I have a large empire with three vassals and a tributary.

At the completely opposite end of the galaxy, there are two powers. They are neighbors. They hate each other (rivals, relations of about -150). They also don't care for me (-75). So one of them decides to fight the other - with my help.

He sends me the oddest request - I get the Humiliate condition. He gets a planet ceded. A vassal of mine gets a planet liberated. He gets two planets ceded. Another vassal gets a planet liberated. And he gets a fourth planet ceded. It actually reads that way - me, him, a vassal, him, another vassal, him.

Now since all of this involves flying off to the end of the galaxy, I have no intention of doing this. But I have questions:

What is the effect of my vassals liberating planets? Do they form one polity or two? What is(are) the polity(s) relations to me, as opposed to the vassals?

How did the original choices come about? If I had tried to humiliate, cede 4 planets and liberate 2 more, I would be way over 100 warscore. What gives?

 

[Crissa]

Warscore gets weird when it's split between multiple aggressors. There have been some patches where we were allowed to choose more than 100 points of score to aim for. (Asimov, I think?)

I don't think it counts. But it's an interesting hail-mary deal they're making.

 

[Jerev]

If your vassal liberates one or more planets, they will form a new empire with the ethos of their liberator (in this case your vassal).

This is from the wiki:
"Liberate Planet
This costs less than Cede Planet and will establish the planet(s) as an independent Empire when the war ends. All planets freed in the same War will be in the same empire. The dominant species will be whichever species is most present among all planets liberated. Liberations done across multiple wars will not unify in a existing empire. Technology will be copied mostly from the original empire, granting possible access via research agreements. The new empire will take the Liberators government ethos and be friendly towards them for liberating them. This, however, does not mean that the individual POPs on the planets of the newly liberated empire will adopt the same ethos as the liberator/new empire. They will have to shift to it through ethics divergence, with all the usual penalties for unfitting policies. As of 1.1.0 Liberating can be chosen on Capital Worlds too."

 

[Alblaka]

Basically, liberation for your vassal is bad for you.

• The liberated empire will take on your vassal's ethics, which may differ from yours.
• Your vassal will get the +100 'liberator' oppinion modifier with the new empire, not you (which is the make&break difference in trying to vassalize the new empire)

 

[Cannes]

I think its awesome that the AI can recognise an opportunity to get aid in a war even from someone it doesn't like. Sometimes you're forced into a situation where there aren't any great choices, so why not try to find someone who shares your enemy that can turn the tide. The enemy of my enemy and all that...

 

[Grubsnik]

If your vassal liberates one or more planets, they will form a new empire with the ethos of their liberator (in this case your vassal).

This is from the wiki:
"Liberate Planet
This costs less than Cede Planet and will establish the planet(s) as an independent Empire when the war ends. All planets freed in the same War will be in the same empire. The dominant species will be whichever species is most present among all planets liberated. Liberations done across multiple wars will not unify in a existing empire. Technology will be copied mostly from the original empire, granting possible access via research agreements. The new empire will take the Liberators government ethos and be friendly towards them for liberating them. This, however, does not mean that the individual POPs on the planets of the newly liberated empire will adopt the same ethos as the liberator/new empire. They will have to shift to it through ethics divergence, with all the usual penalties for unfitting policies. As of 1.1.0 Liberating can be chosen on Capital Worlds too."

always thought liberation would change the pops as well. Not really sure what you would want to use liberate for now then.

 

[General Retreat]

always thought liberation would change the pops as well. Not really sure what you would want to use liberate for now then.

If you annex three systems on the edge of your empire, chances are you'll run into issues with:

1) Massive ethics divergence due to distance and unhappiness. Means they'll never come around to your ethics.
2) Recently conquered malus which compounds the above.
3) Nationalist factions which are influence sinks and a pain to deal with.
4) Diplomatic threat generation which makes it more likely for anti-you alliances to form in order to dogpile you.

Liberating resolves this by creating a small, compact Balkanised empire with your ethics. This means positive ethics divergence, no hassle with factions and no additional threat generated.

Leave them a decade or two before you integrate and the AI should have developed the systems for you and converted a decent chunk of the population to your way of thinking.

Liberating lets you nibble away at the galaxy without everyone banding together to stop you as if you were the Prethoryn Swarm. Alternately, it works great for setting up new candidates for federation membership.

 

[WLFobe]

If two of my vassals each liberate a planet (in the same war) do they form into a single new empire? What if the vassals have differing ethos?

 

[scaper12123]

I've had a similar situation wherein the aggressor asks me to join him in jolly cooperation to stomp a fanatical purifier I have no interest in because I'm trying to be a xenophobic isolationist and minimize my contact with the outside world, and the setup for warscore was very weird. He had a condition where I would take a random one of their planets on the far side of the galaxy where I would never get any use out of. We weren't even friends with each other!

He requested 5 times in a year, by the by. It ended up sevearly damaging our relations (not that I cared, since they were a nation of 5 planets and I was focusing my efforts on defending from an awakened empire at the time), but the annoying requests would not stop coming in. I eventually had to declare war on the fanatical purifier personally, asking only for humiliation, so that they would get the hell off my back about going to war.