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Five hours till the first session and we still lack Spain, Porto and Persia. IMO, Porto can be AI and then edited, Persia is not really important - we could just forbid persian culture until 1700 as usual, but Spain... If noone will take spain as a perm in the next few hours I see no option but to cancel this session. Unless Venice or BB player will take it temporarely. 
Adam Breit said:And not all players have yet made a court !
Adam! How about subbing Spain then?
And the courts are here - http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=18&mforum=adamo
Hmm, since we do not have all the power slots taken yet, perheps we should porspond the season to next week?
von Diplomacy said:
Yep. Meanwhile, I suggest everyone 1) Work on diplomacy (that's includes you, VD
) and set their court and 2) Reinstall EoS or even EU2 altogether, since some of us had problems connecting to a MP EoS game (me, for example )
I also suggest;
a) GM's will stay until the session is officially canceled
b) All players will know from now on that a session isn't canceled until a big, red lettered post says it in this thread.
c) If a session isn't officially canceled, players should come
d) GM's, if the session is canceled, should psot that red lettered post.
Unless we all colaborate, the game will never reach 1820, and this is not just as hard as any other mp, but is harder sicne we have a mod and finding subs is quite a lot harder. :S
a) GM's will stay until the session is officially canceled
b) All players will know from now on that a session isn't canceled until a big, red lettered post says it in this thread.
c) If a session isn't officially canceled, players should come
d) GM's, if the session is canceled, should psot that red lettered post.
Unless we all colaborate, the game will never reach 1820, and this is not just as hard as any other mp, but is harder sicne we have a mod and finding subs is quite a lot harder. :S
I'm going to have to pull a Slargos and bow out before we're even started. I'm behind a router and I don't know if I'll get it sorted in time or at all.
My ISP was down all Sunday so I had no means of playing nor cancelling. Sorry for this.
Ok, no problem, Slargos. I guess we could play with just one of the scandinavian states if no one will take sweden until sunday.
I'm also strongy agree with Urko, especially with the GMs part
I'm also strongy agree with Urko, especially with the GMs part
FIRST SESSION IS TOMMOROW 23/1 AT 19:00 CET!
We got all majors now and most of the small ones (except Porto).
Persia will be AI and so persian culture will be forbidden.
Make sure you'll get there on time or even a little bit earlier if you can.
We got all majors now and most of the small ones (except Porto).
Persia will be AI and so persian culture will be forbidden.
Make sure you'll get there on time or even a little bit earlier if you can.
Points for PvP wars -
Muscowy - 62
Sweden - 67
edits - OE annexed Mameluks and Syria's religion changed back to sunni
Muscowy - 62
Sweden - 67
edits - OE annexed Mameluks and Syria's religion changed back to sunni
Edits to be done;
1. Losses caused by the French atacck
a) Franchecomtè fortress upgraded to small
b) 400 habitants more to Franchecomtè
c) 400 habitants more to Alsace
d) 400 habitants more to Mantua
e) 400 habitants more to Tyrol
f) A new army with 45 cannons, 10000 cavalry and 10000 infantry to Mantua. They shoudld have the top moral.
g) 100 ducats to the Palatinat (not from me, that's all i say of them)
h) 200 ducats, 150 of them from France and 50 of them from Milano, to me, as payment for my losses due to the occupations of Franchecomtè, Alsace and Mantua, sicne they got all that from looting while i lsot taxes
i) 100 more to me in concept of census taxes i didn't get sicne i was in war, don't mind from where.
j) Juv recognizes the dow wasn't a fair thing.
2. Things i would have from the Venetians if it hadn't happened.... what happened.
a) -500 infantry from any of my armies, in concepts of losses to remaining alive guys in Vènezia
b) Ragusa, edited to me
c) 6670 habitants more to Vénezia (yes, i want the city later, and i want it crowded, and for that the besiege didn't help)
d) 400 habitants more to Mantua
e) 400 habitants more to Istria
f) 400 habitants more to Dalmatia
g) 400 habitants more to Ragusa
h) 200 ducats from peace to me (they offered 402 before)
i) 130 ducats from census taxes i'd have by being a bit more in peace
j) 300 habitants more to Tyrol (Venetians besieged it)
k) 400 habitants more to Bosnia (due to the we, it revolted and lost population... twice)
l) 7000 soldiers of infantry to me (rebellion was bloody)
m) In concepts of the money invested in somethign instead of war, +200 to land research and +3 warships in Calais.
3. Things France got in a complete unfair way
a) Romagna is edited to me
b) France gives me 100 in concept of taxes + census taxes from it
c) 400 habitants more to Romagna, (maybe French army would have been completely unable to take it, and since all this is their error, i am not gonna give up more...)
d) France gives me 400 ducats (a probability, a ducat) for Romagna. OR Romagna keeps being part of the Paple States, being France or ally or vassal or Spain or any other player, excepting me, forbidden to take it for 10 years. That way would be a good one to explain France what they did if stilll hasn't udnerstood it.
4. Problems caused during the talks
a) France recognizes i was, and am, completely right. And also rectifies the way that behaved and understand something that is fair should be done, and doens't try things like dowing to cover it or whatever.
b) Due to the problems that caused me having almost a whole session of discussing, which is soemthing i hate, instead of playing eu2 and joking with the people on a sunday evening/night, which is something i love, and having to go to bed later just to write this, austria gets + 1 infra level.
Important note; By reasons that are obvious to who has to attend this (and no, it's not you, VD), if jsut 1 one of the claims is not accepted, i'll just have to be really sorry to quit, being quitting by this kind of problem the first time. If someone wanna know further, my icq and msn are in my signature; I add all those who add me to their buddies
1. Losses caused by the French atacck
a) Franchecomtè fortress upgraded to small
b) 400 habitants more to Franchecomtè
c) 400 habitants more to Alsace
d) 400 habitants more to Mantua
e) 400 habitants more to Tyrol
f) A new army with 45 cannons, 10000 cavalry and 10000 infantry to Mantua. They shoudld have the top moral.
g) 100 ducats to the Palatinat (not from me, that's all i say of them)
h) 200 ducats, 150 of them from France and 50 of them from Milano, to me, as payment for my losses due to the occupations of Franchecomtè, Alsace and Mantua, sicne they got all that from looting while i lsot taxes
i) 100 more to me in concept of census taxes i didn't get sicne i was in war, don't mind from where.
j) Juv recognizes the dow wasn't a fair thing.
2. Things i would have from the Venetians if it hadn't happened.... what happened.
a) -500 infantry from any of my armies, in concepts of losses to remaining alive guys in Vènezia
b) Ragusa, edited to me
c) 6670 habitants more to Vénezia (yes, i want the city later, and i want it crowded, and for that the besiege didn't help)
d) 400 habitants more to Mantua
e) 400 habitants more to Istria
f) 400 habitants more to Dalmatia
g) 400 habitants more to Ragusa
h) 200 ducats from peace to me (they offered 402 before)
i) 130 ducats from census taxes i'd have by being a bit more in peace
j) 300 habitants more to Tyrol (Venetians besieged it)
k) 400 habitants more to Bosnia (due to the we, it revolted and lost population... twice)
l) 7000 soldiers of infantry to me (rebellion was bloody)
m) In concepts of the money invested in somethign instead of war, +200 to land research and +3 warships in Calais.
3. Things France got in a complete unfair way
a) Romagna is edited to me
b) France gives me 100 in concept of taxes + census taxes from it
c) 400 habitants more to Romagna, (maybe French army would have been completely unable to take it, and since all this is their error, i am not gonna give up more...)
d) France gives me 400 ducats (a probability, a ducat) for Romagna. OR Romagna keeps being part of the Paple States, being France or ally or vassal or Spain or any other player, excepting me, forbidden to take it for 10 years. That way would be a good one to explain France what they did if stilll hasn't udnerstood it.
4. Problems caused during the talks
a) France recognizes i was, and am, completely right. And also rectifies the way that behaved and understand something that is fair should be done, and doens't try things like dowing to cover it or whatever.
b) Due to the problems that caused me having almost a whole session of discussing, which is soemthing i hate, instead of playing eu2 and joking with the people on a sunday evening/night, which is something i love, and having to go to bed later just to write this, austria gets + 1 infra level.
Important note; By reasons that are obvious to who has to attend this (and no, it's not you, VD), if jsut 1 one of the claims is not accepted, i'll just have to be really sorry to quit, being quitting by this kind of problem the first time. If someone wanna know further, my icq and msn are in my signature; I add all those who add me to their buddies
Wahahahahahah,You can't be serious, such edits require 1 fulll day of the GM's time.
Urko, if you want to quit just say so. Sometimes I don't understand sarcasm and so I might really do all these edits (which will take only 2 hours tops, Adam (not that I have such an amount of time for this)), and if you'll quit anyway I might get really cranky and mad. :wacko: Considering the moral loss suit - I lost my opportunity to conquer Denmark and some german state, so i'd like to get it as well (seriously). Ergo - resolve it with juv if you want. You may leave as you wish and I suppose that Salam will leave as well (being a friend of yours etc) which will basically kill this game. But I guess you just will have to live with that.
(not that I have such an amount of time for this)), and if you'll quit anyway I might get really cranky and mad. :wacko: Considering the moral loss suit - I lost my opportunity to conquer Denmark and some german state, so i'd like to get it as well (seriously). Ergo - resolve it with juv if you want. You may leave as you wish and I suppose that Salam will leave as well (being a friend of yours etc) which will basically kill this game. But I guess you just will have to live with that.
Don_Quijote said:
I realize that your entire post must be a joke but still I will recapitulate what happened during the session:
France attacked and conquered Italy.
Austria had all the chances in the world to attempt to stop this.
France later declared war and attacked Austria.
The GM enforced a WP in this war, probably because Austria refused to fight. Personally I fail to see why France wasn't allowed to pursue a war versus Austria.
All done within the rules of the campaign. The GM had nothing against what happened. Threathening to quit for no reason whatsoever is just BS.
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Moredhel said:Urko, if you want to quit just say so. Sometimes I don't understand sarcasm and so I might really do all these edits (which will take only 2 hours tops, Adam
I don't want to quit. I am quite sarcastic usually, but not this time; i asked for all those edits seriously, and , if u want, i'll do them myself; i am an experienced editor. I don't wish to leave, but i'mmquite tired of exposing why i am right and why should be done what i say; it's completely clear. In case i had to quit.... it would really chase me until i die, and probably later :lol:
juv95hrn said:
Don't cross the line.... again.