There should be more achievements based on the starting dates.

[MachopPower69]

The only achievement I can think of that involves changing the starting date is the American independence one where you have to win against Britain and have your cores. To be honest, there should be more start date based achievements like winning the "0th world war" as France.

 

[Sidolowka]

Unfortunately, the later starting dates are (ironically) out of date.

Several of them are completely broken and can be exploited in weird ways (like the Venice HRE shenanigans and the Ottomans getting free cores on the Hijaz), while most of them are not up to date in regards to DLC's and patches. (Such as Korea starting off as a vassal instead of a tributary of Qing in later dates).

Updating the later starting dates would most likely require a large amount of dedicated time and manpower, and is unlikely to happen this late into the game's life-cycle. Hopefully EUV, whenever it comes out, will have fewer, but better made starting dates so that they aren't abandoned like in EUIV.

 

[Battlex]

Unfortunately, the later starting dates are (ironically) out of date.

Several of them are completely broken and can be exploited in weird ways (like the Venice HRE shenanigans and the Ottomans getting free cores on the Hijaz), while most of them are not up to date in regards to DLC's and patches. (Such as Korea starting off as a vassal instead of a tributary of Qing in later dates).

Updating the later starting dates would most likely require a large amount of dedicated time and manpower, and is unlikely to happen this late into the game's life-cycle. Hopefully EUV, whenever it comes out, will have fewer, but better made starting dates so that they aren't abandoned like in EUIV.

I think they'll go with 2 start dates like ck3, rather than the 1 of imperator

 

[MachopPower69]

Unfortunately, the later starting dates are (ironically) out of date.

Several of them are completely broken and can be exploited in weird ways (like the Venice HRE shenanigans and the Ottomans getting free cores on the Hijaz), while most of them are not up to date in regards to DLC's and patches. (Such as Korea starting off as a vassal instead of a tributary of Qing in later dates).

Updating the later starting dates would most likely require a large amount of dedicated time and manpower, and is unlikely to happen this late into the game's life-cycle. Hopefully EUV, whenever it comes out, will have fewer, but better made starting dates so that they aren't abandoned like in EUIV.

InB4 someone makes a mod to fix them

 

[Rashie]

InB4 someone makes a mod to fix them

You'll probably be waiting a while for that, if it even happens at all.

 

[Battlex]

InB4 someone makes a mod to fix them

There are mods for start dates, just obvs breaks ironman

 

[blackbirdgriffi]

I think they'll go with 2 start dates like ck3, rather than the 1 of imperator

Yeah that would be awsome, one start date in 1376 or something an another one in 1444

 

[Battlex]

Yeah that would be awsome, one start date in 1376 or something an another one in 1444

Nooooooo
EU4 is already crap at replicating the early game dynamism. We need later start dates with more things fleshed out. Otherwise we get ahistoric safavids and Aceh, 13 year old mehmed, and so on and so on

 

[blackbirdgriffi]

Nooooooo
EU4 is already crap at replicating the early game dynamism. We need later start dates with more things fleshed out. Otherwise we get ahistoric safavids and Aceh, 13 year old mehmed, and so on and so on

Well TBH the MEIOU and taxes made an amazing job at replicating the Mid-early XIVth century, so on a new project I believe paradox can do it for EUV, however I do agree that it is completly out of question for EUIV given that it would require big changes which Johan specifically mentioned won't happen on the game.

 

[Triplebassist]

Well TBH the MEIOU and taxes made an amazing job at replicating the Mid-early XIVth century, so on a new project I believe paradox can do it for EUV, however I do agree that it is completly out of question for EUIV given that it would require big changes which Johan specifically mentioned won't happen on the game.

Well TBH the MEIOU and taxes made an amazing job at replicating the Mid-early XIVth century, so on a new project I believe paradox can do it for EUV, however I do agree that it is completly out of question for EUIV given that it would require big changes which Johan specifically mentioned won't happen on the game.

I honestly think that the early game is some of M&T's worst efforts. It relies heavily on triggered modifiers and events that are sometimes disconnected from the game that's progressed, and still doesn't get a much better result than vanilla. The EU4 system just doesn't work well with the dynastic politics that were important until the beginnings of the Westphalian nation states

 

[Battlex]

I honestly think that the early game is some of M&T's worst efforts. It relies heavily on triggered modifiers and events that are sometimes disconnected from the game that's progressed, and still doesn't get a much better result than vanilla. The EU4 system just doesn't work well with the dynastic politics that were important until the beginnings of the Westphalian nation states

Tyrol just doesn't reliably happen in meiou for example. But ottoman expansion rate is awesome