There is one feature that CK3 *desperately, desperately needs* and I havn't seen it discussed

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I had a thought. I wonder if using AI could be good for minning otherwise hard to find historical data.

Something like "list all known counts of x" may search deeper through ai than just the wikipedia list.

Then again AI lies a lot right now so you'd still have to find out if the source is real.
 
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Writing event code is not what Chat bots should be used for.

But using Chat bots to dynamically generate event text would be excellent.

One of the main causes of "advanced player ignores event and mouses over effects" is . . . we've read it all before. If you play the game enough, you've seen every event 100 times. It gets boring. And worse: it gets annoying and tedious. It starts to feel like a chore that disrupts emergent story-telling rather than enriching it.

If a chat bot could tell the same event story in a different way everytime that event popped up, that would break the monotony in a big way.
 
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Writing event code is not what Chat bots should be used for.

But using Chat bots to dynamically generate event text would be excellent.

One of the main causes of "advanced player ignores event and mouses over effects" is . . . we've read it all before. If you play the game enough, you've seen every event 100 times. It gets boring. And worse: it gets annoying and tedious. It starts to feel like a chore that disrupts emergent story-telling rather than enriching it.

If a chat bot could tell the same event story in a different way everytime that event popped up, that would break the monotony in a big way.
I tried it, but GPT-4 got a little carried away:

The sun hung low in the sky, casting long shadows over the battlefield as the opposing armies gathered. Tension thickened the air, as both sides knew that the moment of confrontation drew near. Amongst the throng of soldiers, the player's eyes scanned the horizon, searching for their devious rival who had long been a thorn in their side.

Suddenly, a commotion from the enemy's ranks caught the player's attention. Their rival appeared, clad in gleaming armor, a wicked smile playing upon their lips. In their arms, a creature of grace and elegance – a cat, its fur like midnight and its eyes like emeralds. The rival stroked the feline's head, whispering into its ears as they approached an ominous-looking contraption.

As the player squinted in the fading light, they recognized the machine as a catapult, primed and ready to launch. Their heart caught in their throat as the rival placed the cat into the catapult's basket, fastening it securely with a harness. The player's hands clenched into fists, anger boiling within them at this cruel and bizarre act.

With a roar of laughter, the rival pulled the catapult's release. The contraption creaked and groaned, and the cat soared through the air, its fur rippling like a dark banner against the sky. The soldiers on both sides of the battlefield watched in stunned disbelief, as the cat arced high above them, an unwitting projectile in this twisted game of war.

The player's mind raced, trying to comprehend their rival's motive behind such an act. Was it a petty attempt to demoralize them or a cunning distraction to seize an advantage? Whatever the reason, the player knew they could not allow this cruel act to go unanswered. With a steely determination, they turned their gaze back to the battlefield, vowing to bring their rival to justice and ensure that the cat's sacrifice would not be in vain.

As the cat landed behind the player's ranks, it quickly wriggled free from its harness, landing on its feet with feline grace. Though shaken, it appeared unharmed, its eyes glowing with a new-found fury. In that moment, the player and the cat shared an unspoken understanding, a bond forged in the heat of battle.

Together, they would fight on, avenging this heartless act and restoring honor to the battlefield. The battle that ensued would be forever etched into the annals of history, a tale of courage and cunning, known as the Feline Gambit.
 
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I tried it, but GPT-4 got a little carried away:

I fed your quote to 4.0 and I told it "You wrote the following quote for someone else, but you got carried away. Remember: Concision is the essence of wit. Please adjust accordingly."

It gave me this. I think it's pretty good for an Event Window:

Sunset cast shadows on the battlefield as armies gathered. The player spotted their rival using a cat in a catapult as a cruel distraction. Angered, they vowed to avenge the act. The unharmed cat allied with the player, forging a bond. Together, they fought on in the legendary Feline Gambit.

I mean, it's funnier than a lot of Paradox's text. To me anyway.


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CK3 is for everyone! If you don't want to read my painstakingly-made, lovingly-crafted event text that I infuse with love and passion and send off to the player with a neat little bow and then stay up at night thinking about how it'll be received... and instead skip right to the options to just click one randomly, then that's absolutely your prerogative and I promise you I won't be bitter about it at all, as you can clearly see.
You just described how I interact with your events. You must read my logs s lot.
 
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I think the more pertinent point is, though, that it doesn't actually combat what's being said in the OP at all. 'Advanced players' who don't read events because they've memorised them won't read this one either, they'll just skip right to mousing over the option text and making a decision there. Making actual good and engaging content that engages the players who want to engage with it should be the focus here.
Oh god, the mortifying ordeal of being known
 
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I don't know who these "tech bros" are. I have worked in technology my whole life. I don't know how anyone thinks AI will replace human writers.

A "tech bro" generally means a cypto/nft investor who often has no programming experience. It means someone who owns NFTs, not someone who actually works in the technology field.
 
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I don't think the issue is repetitive events, the issue is that a fair amount of the current events are so meaningless that there is usually a "Right" and "Wrong" answer. I don't care if one knight gets a +5 opinion modifier of me and the other one gets a -5 opinion modifier. I don't think ChatGPT would solve that, it would just worsen the issue.

I want events that matter! Give me less frequent events, but make them feel like meaningful choices! I don't want to see a pointless rolling head inside my court every 4 years, or meeting Shrek in the swamp for the thousandth time, I want to feel like I'm an actual ruler of a kingdom.
 
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I had a thought. I wonder if using AI could be good for minning otherwise hard to find historical data.

Something like "list all known counts of x" may search deeper through ai than just the wikipedia list.

Then again AI lies a lot right now so you'd still have to find out if the source is real.
While it may go deeper than Wikipedia I think its accuracy would be highly questionable. I’ll never forget being asked to check the source of a statistic in a major newspaper and finding out it was citing the previous year, which was citing the previous year for that article, and citing the previous year of that article, and by the time I reached the original actual citation I had gone back through a decade worth of articles.

Hazards of not checking the original source when citing research. AI just can’t pull off recognizing context in historical research, fact checking, and identifying reliable sources. As far as AI is concerned, if it it is written, it is fair game, and it isn’t really. Not always.
 
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Hazards of not checking the original source when citing research. AI just can’t pull off recognizing context in historical research, fact checking, and identifying reliable sources. As far as AI is concerned, if it it is written, it is fair game, and it isn’t really. Not always.
I don't know about other bots ("Artificial Intelligence" is an overly grandiose name for what these things actually are), but using ChatGPT at least for "mining otherwise hard to find historical data" is a terrible idea.

I've tested it. If you ask it to, say, summarize a popular book, it will do a decent job albeit with occasional errors. But if you ask it about an obscure novel or short story, it will literally make something up and deliver it just as confidently. I suspect it would do the same with history: give you a passable account of major events, but completely BS its way through anything that's not well-known.
 
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But if you ask it about an obscure novel or short story, it will literally make something up and deliver it just as confidently.
And now I want to ask it for a plot summary of bluntly titled Kindle-exclusive smut.
 
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Writing event code is not what Chat bots should be used for.

But using Chat bots to dynamically generate event text would be excellent.

One of the main causes of "advanced player ignores event and mouses over effects" is . . . we've read it all before. If you play the game enough, you've seen every event 100 times. It gets boring. And worse: it gets annoying and tedious. It starts to feel like a chore that disrupts emergent story-telling rather than enriching it.

If a chat bot could tell the same event story in a different way everytime that event popped up, that would break the monotony in a big way.

Agreed. Dynamically generated event text and rewards are worth considering. The code, itself, should still be left up to the devs.

But lets not kid ourselves: the day when the code can be generated by AI is not that far off. Not that AI could build a whole game, but that one dev could do 10x as much coding.
 
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Not that AI could build a whole game, but that one dev could do 10x as much coding.
Understanding code someone else (and the generative algorithm is someone else, even if the training corpus is your own code) wrote can take as long as writing it yourself.
 
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While it may go deeper than Wikipedia I think its accuracy would be highly questionable. I’ll never forget being asked to check the source of a statistic in a major newspaper and finding out it was citing the previous year, which was citing the previous year for that article, and citing the previous year of that article, and by the time I reached the original actual citation I had gone back through a decade worth of articles.

Hazards of not checking the original source when citing research. AI just can’t pull off recognizing context in historical research, fact checking, and identifying reliable sources. As far as AI is concerned, if it it is written, it is fair game, and it isn’t really. Not always.
So far. But it is getting better at an insanely rapid pace and a good portion of what they do reference when you ask them actually does come from a source.

For now everything an AI says needs to be fact checked for truth. In chat gpt 3 a few tests show that whether it's pulling from truth or making a simulacrum of truth is close to 50%. But even that is really powerful and helpful.

You really can use AI to find otherwise hard to search for information. You just need to actually do your job as a human and verify it.
 
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Understanding code someone else (and the generative algorithm is someone else, even if the training corpus is your own code) wrote can take as long as writing it yourself.

Perhaps. Of course, it could also do all sorts of things. I’m sure it would make for an amazing proofreader.
 
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Where I think tools like these are most impactful for games like CK3 and it's modders is in its ability to generate quantity while the Dev or modder refine it so it has quality, potentially achieving the ever elusive goal of Quantity AND Quality of content.

AI is here to increase productivity, like any other tool, not to replace humans.
Automation is a way to produce more with the same resources.

And for the artists out there worried about their jobs: Remember the birth of Photography. Same arguments we see now, different time. Or in a smaller case, the birth of digital art also caused these fears yet again. Still artists are still here, and are still a valuable profession. What has changed is that there is more art than ever being produced...
 
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I don't understand why people think AI will be a source of truth. Is any random person a source of truth? No. Actual records, artifacts, experiments and observations are. The AI isn't going to be able to manifest some hidden history of minor nobles in Carolingian France no matter how many GPUs they throw at it. If the information exists at all, it's in books somewhere, and either people haven't found them (in which case the AI hasn't), or they have, and the AI isn't going to do anything other than tell us what those books already say.
 
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