Theocracy of France

[High_King]

My little sister likes playing this game sometimes, even though she doesn't understand all the finer points she likes marrying off the princesses to handsome princes and naming all the little babies in the royal family and conquering her enemies as they cower in fear behind castle walls and executing rebel scum without remorse. Everything you'd expect from a little girl really.

On her own yesterday she managed to take her Countess of Dublin and unify Ireland, but then, upon succession, was bogged down in a vicious civil war (every duke under her declared for another claimant to the throne), and begged me to help her win - so I did, and afterwards just looked around the map out of interest to see what the state of the world was. France really interested me - the Duchy of Normandy had gone completely independent and swallowed up Britanny, and was bordering an overgrown independent Duchy of Acquitaine to on its southern border (i checked; neither of these countries were at war, so they were FULLY independent). But that wasn't the strangest thing. France itself was ruled by a King-Bishop, creating the Theocracy of France. I've known it was possible but I've NEVER seen it before...I wanted to ask, does anyone know how such a thing is possible? How can a Bishop acquire a crown without being granted one by an emperor?

 

[Munglik]

Maybe someone pushed the claim of a bishop?

 

[justin6477]

Wait, we can grant King titles as Emperors?

 

[unmerged(571893)]

He probably inherited a claim

 

[justin6477]

He probably inherited a claim

You're supposed to be removed from the inheritance list as a Bishop. Or so says the tool-tip.

 

[Magnive]

Maybe he had a claim before he became bishop?

 

[Prins Valiant]

Don't know how it's possible, but I've also seen France turn info a Teocracy.

 

[High_King]

Maybe it's a faction thing - a son of the King of France is given a bishopric, and after his father dies he inherits a claim on France, which ordinarily would never have been pressed but, now with the faction system, random vassals decide to rebel for his claim on the throne - thus creating a theocracy.

 

[unmerged(228153)]

I can confirm that it's most likely a faction issue. In my last game, some deposed Capetian was made a bishop while the ruling de Bourgogne dynasty fought a civil war against his claim. They lose, and King-Bishop Hugues IV ascends to the throne. To be honest, that is a pretty cool concept which could, in theory, provoke a large-scale conflict involving all Catholic nations. For example, the »King-Bishop« could claim the authority of the Holy Roman Emperor or even the Papacy. You'd probably need dedicated event chains for that to work, though.

 

[Effixel]

Wait, we can grant King titles as Emperors?

Well of course, just like a king can grant duke titles. You create the title and give it to some bloke amongst your vassals.

 

[boomerUK]

I had it happen to my dynasty once but I can't remember for the life of me how it happened. It wasn't long after release though.

 

[justin6477]

I can confirm that it's most likely a faction issue. In my last game, some deposed Capetian was made a bishop while the ruling de Bourgogne dynasty fought a civil war against his claim. They lose, and King-Bishop Hugues IV ascends to the throne. To be honest, that is a pretty cool concept which could, in theory, provoke a large-scale conflict involving all Catholic nations. For example, the »King-Bishop« could claim the authority of the Holy Roman Emperor or even the Papacy. You'd probably need dedicated event chains for that to work, though.

Heh, makes himself the anti-pope and marches on Rome?

I like it.

 

[justin6477]

Well of course, just like a king can grant duke titles. You create the title and give it to some bloke amongst your vassals.

Yes, of course, but I meant to Bishops. I've tried handing out King titles to dukes, only to be frustrated with the rule that I can only transfer De Jure vassals to my underlings. It made cleaning up my Empire a bit more difficult.

 

[Dutchling]

Maybe it's a faction thing - a son of the King of France is given a bishopric, and after his father dies he inherits a claim on France, which ordinarily would never have been pressed but, now with the faction system, random vassals decide to rebel for his claim on the throne - thus creating a theocracy.

It is not a faction thing, as the exact same situation happened with plots before the faction system.

 

[Effixel]

Yes, of course, but I meant to Bishops. I've tried handing out King titles to dukes, only to be frustrated with the rule that I can only transfer De Jure vassals to my underlings. It made cleaning up my Empire a bit more difficult.

Ah I see what you mean. Well, I guess yes, same as for the duchy titles to bishops I believe. I've never tried though, I like keeping my king titles as Emperor!

Edit: did you see this new thread? Looks like an answer to your question

 

[unmerged(571893)]

You're supposed to be removed from the inheritance list as a Bishop. Or so says the tool-tip.

No, he could have inherited the claim before he got any landed titles.

 

[justin6477]

Ah I see what you mean. Well, I guess yes, same as for the duchy titles to bishops I believe. I've never tried though, I like keeping my king titles as Emperor!

Edit: did you see this new thread? Looks like an answer to your question

I actually brought it up based on the last line of OP's post. "How can a Bishop acquire a crown without being granted one by an emperor?"

Also, I did see that thread, but I think I know why there's no King Bishop. Or at least why there isn't supposed to be. The Pope is King tier, so theoretically any King-Bishop would amount to a Pope.

No, he could have inherited the claim before he got any landed titles.

Yeah, being a bishop should probably get rid of your claims.

 

[Effixel]

ok now I want to see an EMPEROR-Bishop. Can they do that? I'd love to see it!

 

[bmullins0118]

ok now I want to see an EMPEROR-Bishop. Can they do that? I'd love to see it!

I had a Holy Roman Emperor Bishop in one of my games as the empire of Poland (CK2+)

He was quickly removed from the throne however, not sure how.

 

[Andaries]

Does happen. However you cant appoint bishops as kings. XD If it worked that way I would so have an easier time ruling my empire since I like to turn the unstable duchies into prince Arch bishops.

So only way to get a king bishop out side the two Christan Heads is by rebellion. Old way was through plots new way is by factions.