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Event 3011; ENGLAND.
Changed the province in which the first shipyard is built from Essex to Wessex, as the world's first dry dock was constructed in Portsmouth, not London
Code:
#The Admirality#
event = {
id = 3011
random = no
trigger = {
NOT = {
event = 3753
domestic = {
type = land
value = 6
}
}
}
country = ENG
name = "EVENTNAME3011"
desc = "EVENTHIST3011"
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = march year = 1530 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1561 }
action_a ={ #Let us authorize the Admirality#
name = "ACTIONNAME3011A"
command = { type = provincetax which = 24[COLOR=Yellow]9[/COLOR] value = -2 }
command = { type = treasury value = -200 }
command = { type = naval value = 800 }
command = { type = trade value = 400 }
command = { type = manpower value = -20 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 24[COLOR=Yellow]9[/COLOR] value = shipyard }
command = { type = cot which = 247 }
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = -3 }
}
action_b ={ #Let us institute the Royal Army instead#
name = "ACTIONNAME3011B"
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -2 }
command = { type = treasury value = -300 }
command = { type = land value = 800 }
command = { type = infra value = 400 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 247 value = barrack }
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 3 }
}
}
#The Royal Army#
event = {
id = 3753
trigger = {
NOT = {
event = 3011
}
domestic = {
type = land
value = 6
}
}
random = no
country = ENG
name = "EVENTNAME3753"
desc = "EVENTHIST3753"
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1530 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1561 }
action_a ={ #Let us institute the Royal Army#
name = "ACTIONNAME3753A"
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -2 }
command = { type = treasury value = -300 }
command = { type = land value = 800 }
command = { type = infra value = 400 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 247 value = barrack }
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 3 }
}
action_b ={ #Let us authorize the Admirality instead#
name = "ACTIONNAME3753B"
command = { type = provincetax which = 24[COLOR=Yellow]9[/COLOR] value = -2 }
command = { type = treasury value = -200 }
command = { type = naval value = 800 }
command = { type = trade value = 400 }
command = { type = manpower value = -20 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 24[COLOR=Yellow]9[/COLOR] value = shipyard }
command = { type = cot which = 247 }
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = -3 }
}
}Changed the province in which the first shipyard is built from Essex to Wessex, as the world's first dry dock was constructed in Portsmouth, not London
What is that country list meant to change actually?
Regarding the proposed mapchanges don't get your hopes up too high. First of all I won't change anything in the next 2 weeks as I'm still mostly away from my own PC. Thereafter, depending on time, I might give some of it a try.
Merging rivers is probably the easiest part and if it is right that it won't cause troubles then I could do that. Renaming Berwick is also doable. All the other changes require me to adjust shading, or rather to try to reproduce the shading I used in WATK and apparently never stored anywhere. Channel islands seem, btw, a ridiculous addition so that won't happen and neither will I draw rivers through provinces (so no Seine). Of the other changes the Champagne and Wales split sound reasonable, might try it but I definitely do NOT promise anything anytime soon.
(edit) Champagne ain't splitted on mymap as far as I can see btw.
Regarding the proposed mapchanges don't get your hopes up too high. First of all I won't change anything in the next 2 weeks as I'm still mostly away from my own PC. Thereafter, depending on time, I might give some of it a try.
Merging rivers is probably the easiest part and if it is right that it won't cause troubles then I could do that. Renaming Berwick is also doable. All the other changes require me to adjust shading, or rather to try to reproduce the shading I used in WATK and apparently never stored anywhere. Channel islands seem, btw, a ridiculous addition so that won't happen and neither will I draw rivers through provinces (so no Seine). Of the other changes the Champagne and Wales split sound reasonable, might try it but I definitely do NOT promise anything anytime soon.
(edit) Champagne ain't splitted on mymap as far as I can see btw.
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Kasperus said:
It's on the latest version, because I've played with it
And there's obviously no rush with regards to any changes that you do, but I do particularly think that Wales, Berwick & Champagne should be split.
Avignone would be nice, as it's a Papal enclave throughout most of the game's period; certainly during Louis XIV's reign it was still Papal, and not French. Combining rivers has been done without problems, so that would be a great idea; and although the Channel Islands would be nice, fair enough if you don't want to add them
La Marche, as I say, is a massive province (for a major European nation, which tend to have smaller provinces than say, northern Russia...) and could do with division.
Finally, I can't find my WATK v2 package, or if I have, it doesn't seem to be working - maybe that was just an update and not the full map?
Either way, adding the Seine would be wonderful (it doesn't use an ID...) but I suppose if you don't want to
Thanks, K!
mandead said:Suggestions for WATK 3.2 FINAL
- Merge rivers for each continent. This is possible and has been done on MyMAP amongst other projects, and has proved stable/bug-free. Evidently, this will free up a lot of province ID tags for use elsewhere by either yourself or other more 'amateur' mapmakers. Thus, you can have the world's rivers taken up by 4 or 5 water IDs
There isn't a limit to the amount of provinces that an id can border? I thought it was something like after 19, the river would no longer have its affect on combat.
How exactly is the river-penalty shown in game? I tested this by merging the European rivers and I saw no visible river effect fighting over one. But neither did I see any effect while fighting over a different river under 19...Garbon said:
Kasperus said:How exactly is the river-penalty shown in game? I tested this by merging the European rivers and I saw no visible river effect fighting over one. But neither did I see any effect while fighting over a different river under 19...
Maybe there isn't one...I can't find any mention of it now. But then rivers are really, really, quite pointless if they don't have an effect on that. (edit: some old random faqs off site suggest that there is a penalty.)
Only thing I could find was this on troop movement times. Apparently rivers make it take 5 days longer for calvary to cross.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118410
It does give a penalty to battle, that I'm sure off. I don't know how much, though...
Garbon said:
Well, a movement penalty I can reproduce, also on a river touching ~150 provinces (all European rivers under 1 id) like 3-5 days, depending on terrain between the provinces.
And anyone knowing how one can actually see how the penalty affects battles? It is hard to test it otherwise...
And yes, I am rather clueless when it comes to actual game mechanics. o
Okay, last thing, what do you have the rivers when you push them under one id? River?
Suggestions for province names
Wales ---> Sir Frycheiniog (south), and Sir Drefaldwyn (north) - Reference.
Berwick ---> Roxburgh (main part of current province of Berwick), and Berwick as a smaller province on the current Berwick/Northumberland border (to the east coast) - Reference.
Champagne ---> Reims (north), and Troyes (south) - Reference.
La Manche ---> Ciudad Real (west), and Albacete (east)? - Reference.
Avignon (Papal enclave in/of Provence) - Reference.
Though, the Channel Islands would be lovely if you find it in yourself to add them (assuming you have free provinces of course)
Regarding Welsh province names: In Welsh, 'sir' means county or shire, so for example Sir Gaernarfon would translate into Caernarfonshire. Personally, I think you should miss out the 'sir' prefix as we haven't used 'shire' in the English counties, so Frycheiniog and Drefaldwyn will suffice for the southern and northern provinces respectively
Now, I can't remember exactly how it's spelt on your map, but I think that Flanders should be checked...
Finally, after studying several maps from both the internet and my own books, I've suggested the following amendments to the southern counties of England; studying this map in particular (there were little/no change in county borders from 1400 to 1800), it's clear to see that said changes will make more sense on your map:
Essex ---> I would split this pretty much equally in half (horizontally) with the names Norfolk, and Suffolk (north & south respectively) - would this be possible? If not, leave it as it is, though my suggestion is advisable...
Sussex ---> Kent
Cornwall ---> West Country* (controversial I know, but the area is comprised of Cornwall, Devon and Somerset in particular, and this phrase/area comprises them all, so I feel it would be best...)
Finally, in Scotland:
Lothian ---> Lowden (Lowden is Scots language; Lothian is Anglicanised)
Argyll ---> Argyle
And out of interest, where did you get 'Alba' from as a province name? Alba is the ancient Goidelic name for Scotland. AFAIK, it doesn't relate to a particular area of the country, and I certainly can't find it written anywhere as a possible province, despite the many maps (1300 - 1800) i've looked through
Therefore, I would suggest changing Alba to Aberdeen
Many thanks as always, K, and I hope my suggestions were of use!
Done (I think)
* Using this map as a reference point, the term West Country would comprise the counties of Cornwall (6), Devon (9), Somerset (30) and Dorset (10); thus I am sure from the geographical location you'll agree it makes for a nice compromise
Wales ---> Sir Frycheiniog (south), and Sir Drefaldwyn (north) - Reference.
Berwick ---> Roxburgh (main part of current province of Berwick), and Berwick as a smaller province on the current Berwick/Northumberland border (to the east coast) - Reference.
Champagne ---> Reims (north), and Troyes (south) - Reference.
La Manche ---> Ciudad Real (west), and Albacete (east)? - Reference.
Avignon (Papal enclave in/of Provence) - Reference.
Though, the Channel Islands would be lovely if you find it in yourself to add them (assuming you have free provinces of course)
Regarding Welsh province names: In Welsh, 'sir' means county or shire, so for example Sir Gaernarfon would translate into Caernarfonshire. Personally, I think you should miss out the 'sir' prefix as we haven't used 'shire' in the English counties, so Frycheiniog and Drefaldwyn will suffice for the southern and northern provinces respectively
Now, I can't remember exactly how it's spelt on your map, but I think that Flanders should be checked...
Finally, after studying several maps from both the internet and my own books, I've suggested the following amendments to the southern counties of England; studying this map in particular (there were little/no change in county borders from 1400 to 1800), it's clear to see that said changes will make more sense on your map:
Essex ---> I would split this pretty much equally in half (horizontally) with the names Norfolk, and Suffolk (north & south respectively) - would this be possible? If not, leave it as it is, though my suggestion is advisable...
Sussex ---> Kent
Cornwall ---> West Country* (controversial I know, but the area is comprised of Cornwall, Devon and Somerset in particular, and this phrase/area comprises them all, so I feel it would be best...)
Finally, in Scotland:
Lothian ---> Lowden (Lowden is Scots language; Lothian is Anglicanised)
Argyll ---> Argyle
And out of interest, where did you get 'Alba' from as a province name? Alba is the ancient Goidelic name for Scotland. AFAIK, it doesn't relate to a particular area of the country, and I certainly can't find it written anywhere as a possible province, despite the many maps (1300 - 1800) i've looked through
Therefore, I would suggest changing Alba to Aberdeen
Many thanks as always, K, and I hope my suggestions were of use!
Done (I think)
* Using this map as a reference point, the term West Country would comprise the counties of Cornwall (6), Devon (9), Somerset (30) and Dorset (10); thus I am sure from the geographical location you'll agree it makes for a nice compromise
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mandead said:
Borders would be better than Roxburgh, though the principle town should be Roxburgh if not Berwick.
mandead said:Finally, in Scotland:
Lothian ---> Lowden (Lowden is Scots language; Lothian is Anglicanised)
Argyll ---> Argyle
And out of interest, where did you get 'Alba' from as a province name? Alba is the ancient Goidelic name for Scotland. AFAIK, it doesn't relate to a particular area of the country, and I certainly can't find it written anywhere as a possible province, despite the many maps (1300 - 1800) i've looked through
Therefore, I would suggest changing Alba to Aberdeen
Many thanks as always, K, and I hope my suggestions were of use!
Done (I think)
Alba comes from the fact that the area covers an area which during the early medieval period was called Albany. Alba is the appropriate term (better than Aberdeen or Grampians).
Ayeshteni
I think it is much better to keep the names and borders Watk already have in England and Scotland. But Wales could be split up into two provinces.
Well, as I said, if Essex isn't split, leave it be
I disagree, particularly with Scotland. Berwick was an area that swapped hands with England and Scotland on a number of occasions; if this was so in WATK at present it would be very obvious due to the size of the province, which represents most of lower Scotland, which it didn't/doesn't in reality.
Wales should be split, yes
And, incidentally, I have thought a lot about my other name changes (in particular, West Country and Kent) and I believe they should be done.
But you're probably right about leaving Essex as it is
Krantz said:
I disagree, particularly with Scotland. Berwick was an area that swapped hands with England and Scotland on a number of occasions; if this was so in WATK at present it would be very obvious due to the size of the province, which represents most of lower Scotland, which it didn't/doesn't in reality.
Wales should be split, yes
And, incidentally, I have thought a lot about my other name changes (in particular, West Country and Kent) and I believe they should be done.
But you're probably right about leaving Essex as it is
mandead said:Well, as I said, if Essex isn't split, leave it be
I disagree, particularly with Scotland. Berwick was an area that swapped hands with England and Scotland on a number of occasions; if this was so in WATK at present it would be very obvious due to the size of the province, which represents most of lower Scotland, which it didn't/doesn't in reality.
Wales should be split, yes
And, incidentally, I have thought a lot about my other name changes (in particular, West Country and Kent) and I believe they should be done.
But you're probably right about leaving Essex as it is
Don't know any thing about Scotland, but to use English and gaelic names at the same times would be awfull.
I don't think it is any idea to change Essex, but Kasperus could take some land from Essex and provinces around to create Middlesex.
And about Kent, Hmm I think it is better to use Sussex if Wessex and Essex will stil be available!
But Cornwall could be changed to West Country.
Do not wait for Kasperus to change any thing.
For changing names he most remake the Shading Layer.
Krantz said:
English names shan't be used. The Highlands will have it's gaelic name (it already does) - the others shall have Scots names.
Krantz said:
Fantastic idea. I didn't want to suggest it because that's what they did in MyMAP but it is a good idea. That way London wouldn't be in Essex, and it'd be further inland. That's much better my Norfolk & Suffolk - I tip my hat to you, sir!
Krantz said:
lol it was me who got K to change them to those names (for consistency) anyway, back in v1 or v2 :rofl:
I suppose we should leave them
Krantz said:
Wait? What else can I do? I don't know how to do it myself, or I would, to save K some of his hard work. If I could help him it'd be good. I may learn
mandead said:English names shan't be used. The Highlands will have it's gaelic name (it already does) - the others shall have Scots names.
Fantastic idea. I didn't want to suggest it because that's what they did in MyMAP but it is a good idea. That way London wouldn't be in Essex, and it'd be further inland. That's much better my Norfolk & Suffolk - I tip my hat to you, sir!
lol it was me who got K to change them to those names (for consistency) anyway, back in v1 or v2 :rofl:
I suppose we should leave them
Wait? What else can I do? I don't know how to do it myself, or I would, to save K some of his hard work. If I could help him it'd be good. I may learn
i'd help if i could, but i can't.
You mean the name in the popup? Guess 'river' will do, or otherwise it could be left empty as well...Garbon said:Okay, last thing, what do you have the rivers when you push them under one id? River?
Kasperus said:
Well, if you have a single river ID for each continent, what about "European River", "North American River", etc. ?