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Kasperus said:
Yeah I know but I'm unable to get it fixed myself, there are quite a bit countries in the game and I've been fixing mostly the one's that are most popular for playing (imo). For the rest Classique would do some startup testing with, dunno how far he's with that, once he will provide me with a list of needed adjustments, I'll implement it in a patch.
I've gone through A-P, with scattered tags afterwards. I'll try to finish them off today or tomorrow and email you.
 

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Hippokratus said:
Don't know, if they have been mentioned before. Austria has no cores on "Oberöstereich" and "Salzburg", is this really intended?

I've only been checking known provinces, not cores.... :(
 

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Also, noticing some short red borders (as Ayeshteni and cool-toxic found); the one between Ilibalik and Khotan stands out, and many of those leading into TI are a little 'short' (or is that just an artifact of Inferis' tools?).
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The Khotan/Ladakh border is indistinct (again, artifact?).
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Tokan has mountain graphics that are half outside the province, and there are some wandering desert graphics near Datung; in general, a lot of the icons/troops seem oddly placed, often obscuring province names. I guess that's a painful thing to organise.
 

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Hippokratus said:
First of all, I like your mod, a really great map. I started my first game as Austria and noticed a few things. Don't know, if they have been mentioned before. Austria has no cores on "Oberöstereich" and "Salzburg", is this really intended?
Oberosterreich is a bug, but Salzburg is intended. They should probably get a core on it sometime later though, but I haven't got to include such stuff yet.
Furthermore in the Event where Austria inherits Milano, it gets only the original Province of Milano as a core, non of the Pronvinces you added. Wouldn't it be better, to give Austria cores on all Pronvices of Milano (or at least at more than the one original)?
First of all I cannot really check all the possibilities of which provinces Milano will still own when Austria inherits it so that's kind of hard to improve. Most important however is the fact that historically Milano didn't own the territories that I represent as Brescia, Parma and Graubunden anymore after ~1450 or so, and therefor neither did Austria. So it is actually WAD.
You have also added Styria and Tirol, just like AGCEEP did, but in AGCEEP there are events for Austria to inherit both of them, while in Your mod there ain't events like this, which changes the game balance. To stay as close as possible to the original game balance (that of EU 2 vanilla) wouldn't it be a good idea, to add the Inheritance events?
It would and it is planned, unfortunately I didn't get to that either before I released the mod. Will be 'fixed' in a later patch though.
In another game I started as Burgundy and released Germany as a vassal. As I feared, Germany had only cores on the provinces of EU 2 vanilla, not on the provines you added. I guessed it would be that way, for I couldn't find a file with the setup for Germany anywhere. Still I like this to be changed, for it lacks any logic. If there is a Germany it schould have cores on all german provinces (and perhaps the dutch, as it has in vanilla). Any idea, how to fix this?
Anyway keep up the great work. Your map is just awesome.
Well, I do not really support such 'unhistorical' choices. I did include events which enable to create Germany by any country owning all German provinces though. If you want to have it work by release-as-vassal you ought to adjust the GER-entrance in revolt.txt and add to 'minimum' field all the lacking provinces.




Classique said:
I've gone through A-P, with scattered tags afterwards. I'll try to finish them off today or tomorrow and email you.
Well, take your time - I'm leaving for 3 weeks tomorrow and won't be online till 8th february so I have no way to release a patch before that anyway ;)




wryun said:
Also, noticing some short red borders (as Ayeshteni and cool-toxic found); the one between Ilibalik and Khotan stands out, and many of those leading into TI are a little 'short' (or is that just an artifact of Inferis' tools?).
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The Khotan/Ladakh border is indistinct (again, artifact?).
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Borders near PTI are an unfortunate problem with the PTI that causes the game to crash if borders touch the PTI area (probably an issue with how magellan applies terra incognita since on standard map it did work, but once the file was adjusted with magellan, unmodified parts of the map crashed on that as well). To be on the safe side I generally removed borders close to the PTI. I guess sometimes I went a bit too safe but I'd rather not edit that anymore as it was a pain to find an remove all these stupid ctd's in the first place.
Tokan has mountain graphics that are half outside the province, and there are some wandering desert graphics near Datung; in general, a lot of the icons/troops seem oddly placed, often obscuring province names. I guess that's a painful thing to organise.
Artifacts as mountains and trees are hard to locate once I moved an id. I should have removed all of these in the beginning and then readd them if needed but since now I updated about a half of these that would give me even more work. This is something that anyone can adjust hismelf though if wished, I'm not enough of a perfectionist to bother to be honest. Same with icons placed on province-names (that I didn't pay attention to at all actually, never noticed that standard game did it either tbh) ;)
 
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Culture Setup

I've now split the Italian peninsula into several cultures.

This isn't particularly 100% historical, but I don't think it's a bad effort nonetheless.

I managed to do this by freeing up a few cultures by bunching all the Native American cultures together and calling them "Native"

State cultures:

Naples: Neopolitan
Papal States: Latin
Siena: Tuscan
Tuscany: Tuscan
Parma: Tuscan
Modena: Tuscan
Genoa: Genoese
Milan: Tuscan
Venice: Venitian, Slavonic
Savoy: Tuscan, French

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Order of St. John: Latin, French
Switzerland: Latin, French, German

The provinces are thus:

Napoli, Capitana, Apulia, Messina*, Sicilia*, Sardinia: Neopolitan

* I might do Sicilian for these two later, if I find a lesser culture to replace.

Lazio, Mache, Romagne: Latin

Veneto, Friuli, Istria: Venetian

Siena, Pisa, Modena, Parma, Ferrara, Brescia, Firenze, Piemonte, Lombardia, Mantova.

Hope that helps some of you; I'd also like some feedback :)

My main query is thus:

On the MyMAP forum, some chaps have been splitting up Germany into which provinces should be "Upper German", "Middle German" and "Lower German" - these are listed, but are obviously for a different map ;)

Could some of you lovely peeps please do the same for Kasperus' map? I have already done Italy, so with Germany done, my personalised cultures will be pretty much complete.

Thanks!
 
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lol how, don't you need 3000 posts? I want my own title :( Not fair :eek: :confused: :( :mad:

Oh and yes, I also added "Viking" ;)
 
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So? I've been a member for a year, and posted more than you :p
 

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and this conversation relates to kasperus' map how? ;)

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Jimbo_Jools said:
On the MyMAP forum, some chaps have been splitting up Germany into which provinces should be "Upper German", "Middle German" and "Lower German" - these are listed, but are obviously for a different map ;)

Could some of you lovely peeps please do the same for Kasperus' map? I have already done Italy, so with Germany done, my personalised cultures will be pretty much complete.

Thanks!
Linguistic division:
Lower: Holstein, Wismar, Mecklenburg, Vorpommern, Hinterpommern, Neumark, Berlin, Brandenburg, Magdeburg, Braunschweig, Lueneburg, Hannover, Muenster, Oldenburg, Westfalen

Middle: Kassel, Erfurt, Leipzig, Wittenberg, Meissen, Lausitz, Oels, Breslau, Liegnitz, Berg, Nassau, Darmstadt, Trier, Luxemburg, Koeln, Coburg, Wuerzburg, Pfalz, Mainz

Upper: Elsass, Breisgau, Baden, Stuttgart, Nuertingen, Nuernberg, Oberpfalz, Straubing, Muenchen, Landshut, Tirol, Kaernten, Ober-Oesterreich, Nieder-Oesterreich, Salzburg, Marchfeld, Bern, Schwyz

Mixed/Unclear:
Kleve- a linguistic borderland between Dutch, Lower German, and Middle German.
Graubuenden- mixture of Upper German, Italian, and Rhaeto-Romanic.
Pomerelia- Polish (Kashubian) with Lower German
Warmia- mixture of Polish, Upper German, and Lower German
Ostpreussen- Lower German with some Middle German and Polish (Masurian)
Krain- primarily Slavonic (Slovenian) with Upper German
Tabor- Czech with Upper German
Sumava- lower half Upper German, upper half Middle German, with some Czech
Sudety- Middle German with Czech
Moravia- Czech (Moravian) with Upper German
Pozsony- Slovak, Magyar, with a little Upper German
Karpatok- Slovak with some Magyar and Upper German
Buda- Magyar with some Upper German (18th century)
Banat- In the 18th century mixture of Magyar, Slavonic (Serbian), Romanian, Upper German etc.
Transylvania- mixture of Romanian, Magyar (Szekler), Upper/Middle German
Estonia- Ugric (should be Finnic) with Lower German
Livonia- Ugric/Baltic with Lower German
Curonia- Baltic with Lower German
Oppeln- Polish with Upper German and Czech (Moravian)
Slesvig- Danish with Lower German

Please correct if necessary, Twoflower.
 

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Hey all.

I would like to add WatK to the MyMAP FAQ to add exposure. Can you answer the following question? Add any other relevant Q&A for me to add to the FAQ if you want.

Q: What is WatK, where do I get it, and how does it differ from MyMAP?
 
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lol

Q: What is WatK, where do I get it, and how does it differ from MyMAP?

A: Kasperus' super map. Here. It's better ;)
 
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Classique said:
Linguistic division:
Lower: Holstein, Wismar, Mecklenburg, Vorpommern, Hinterpommern, Neumark, Berlin, Brandenburg, Magdeburg, Braunschweig, Lueneburg, Hannover, Muenster, Oldenburg, Westfalen

Middle: Kassel, Erfurt, Leipzig, Wittenberg, Meissen, Lausitz, Oels, Breslau, Liegnitz, Berg, Nassau, Darmstadt, Trier, Luxemburg, Koeln, Coburg, Wuerzburg, Pfalz, Mainz

Upper: Elsass, Breisgau, Baden, Stuttgart, Nuertingen, Nuernberg, Oberpfalz, Straubing, Muenchen, Landshut, Tirol, Kaernten, Ober-Oesterreich, Nieder-Oesterreich, Salzburg, Marchfeld, Bern, Schwyz

Mixed/Unclear:
Kleve- a linguistic borderland between Dutch, Lower German, and Middle German.
Graubuenden- mixture of Upper German, Italian, and Rhaeto-Romanic.
Pomerelia- Polish (Kashubian) with Lower German
Warmia- mixture of Polish, Upper German, and Lower German
Ostpreussen- Lower German with some Middle German and Polish (Masurian)
Krain- primarily Slavonic (Slovenian) with Upper German
Tabor- Czech with Upper German
Sumava- lower half Upper German, upper half Middle German, with some Czech
Sudety- Middle German with Czech
Moravia- Czech (Moravian) with Upper German
Pozsony- Slovak, Magyar, with a little Upper German
Karpatok- Slovak with some Magyar and Upper German
Buda- Magyar with some Upper German (18th century)
Banat- In the 18th century mixture of Magyar, Slavonic (Serbian), Romanian, Upper German etc.
Transylvania- mixture of Romanian, Magyar (Szekler), Upper/Middle German
Estonia- Ugric (should be Finnic) with Lower German
Livonia- Ugric/Baltic with Lower German
Curonia- Baltic with Lower German
Oppeln- Polish with Upper German and Czech (Moravian)
Slesvig- Danish with Lower German

Please correct if necessary, Twoflower.


Fank Wu :p

Can you please try and put the mixed/unclear ones into one of the brackets though, please? Just go with whatever you think the majority of the culture for it is :D
 

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Jayavarman said:
Q: What is WatK, where do I get it, and how does it differ from MyMAP?

I think all that is answered in this thread. Links to DLs are in first post for example. So put a link to this thread to the Q/A. ;)
 

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Jimbo_Jools said:
Fank Wu :p

Can you please try and put the mixed/unclear ones into one of the brackets though, please? Just go with whatever you think the majority of the culture for it is :D

Kleve: eh, go with Middle German unless Twoflower says otherwise
Graubuenden: Swiss
Pomerelia: Polish
Warmia: Baltic or Polish at game's start, then event 3516 should change to Lower German
Ostpreussen: Baltic at game's start, then event 3516 should change to Lower German

Krain: Slavonic

Regarding the Czech provinces, the outlying lands were primarily populated by Germans (the future Sudetenland), while the interior lands were primarily Czech. Event 3196 for Austria converts province 330 (Kasperus' Tabor) to German. You could make Sudety, Tabor, and Sumava Czech at game's start (like Kasperus), and then have their cultures changed to Upper German in event 3196. Technically, Sudety should change to Middle German, but I'm not aware of resistance to Habsburg rule aside from religious turmoil (represented by catholic/protestant); having Middle German as the province culture would prevent Austria from ruling as effectively. Cechy and Moravia should remain Czech.

Pozsony- Slovak
Karpatok- Slovak
Buda- Magyar
Banat- Magyar
Transylvania- either Romanian or Magyar is acceptable- Romanians and Hungarians fiercely debate the ethnic history of the region. During the game's timeframe, generally Romanians were peasants/serfs and Hungarians were land-owners/town-dwellers. Germans (Transylvanian Saxons) lived in the towns in northern and southeastern Transylvania.

Estonia- Ugric (should be renamed Finnic in text.csv)
Livonia- Ugric
Curonia- Baltic
Oppeln- Polish
Slesvig- Danish
 

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Jimbo_Jools said:
I've now split the Italian peninsula into several cultures.
State cultures:

Naples: Neopolitan
Papal States: Latin
Siena: Tuscan
Tuscany: Tuscan
Parma: Tuscan
Modena: Tuscan
Genoa: Genoese
Milan: Tuscan
Venice: Venitian, Slavonic
Savoy: Tuscan, French

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Order of St. John: Latin, French
Switzerland: Latin, French, German

The provinces are thus:

Napoli, Capitana, Apulia, Messina*, Sicilia*, Sardinia: Neopolitan

* I might do Sicilian for these two later, if I find a lesser culture to replace.

Lazio, Mache, Romagne: Latin

Veneto, Friuli, Istria: Venetian

Siena, Pisa, Modena, Parma, Ferrara, Brescia, Firenze, Piemonte, Lombardia, Mantova.
Please use Italian instead of Tuscan as Tuscan can be related only to Firenze, Pisa and Siena.

What about Corsica? Genoese like Genoa!? Well that can go...
Sardinia can be Catalan/Aragonese but not Neopolitan/Neapolitan, IMO!

AS for Latin culture...for Papal States, don't know but maybe is too specific as it can be simply Italian/Tuscan...

I prefer Messina/SIcily as proper Sicilian culture, though... the same could be for Malta if we want to spare culture tags...
Latin for Switzerland should be Italian/Tuscan instead!

Venice must have its own culture but it should be the same for its traditionally held territories around Balkanic peninsula...

Just my 2 cents! ;)