Does anybody know how Canada, South African Republics, Australia and New Zealand will be done? Technically they were independant for alot of the game (canada in the 30's, NZ and Australia 70's)
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Re: Re: The white Dominions
How do you mean? All the white dominions had more or less full independence before 1900. I think technically they could have chosen there own foreighn policy in WW1.
How do you mean? All the white dominions had more or less full independence before 1900. I think technically they could have chosen there own foreighn policy in WW1.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The white Dominions
yes they were and yes they could
this could get quite silly
what do you know about them during this period (incidently, i think the canadian 'constitution' or whatever was written in the 30's by james something)
Originally posted by Zagys
No they weren't and no they couldn't.
yes they were and yes they could
this could get quite silly
what do you know about them during this period (incidently, i think the canadian 'constitution' or whatever was written in the 30's by james something)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The white Dominions
I think you need to do some more research.Originally posted by The Andy-Man
yes they were and yes they could
this could get quite silly
what do you know about them during this period (incidently, i think the canadian 'constitution' or whatever was written in the 30's by james something)
Re: Re: Re: The white Dominions
The Dominions got their own foriegn policy in the Statute of Westminster of 1932 iirc. Until that time they are autonomous - though Westminster did have some control even over domestic policy iirc - and definitely not independent.
The Dominions got their own foriegn policy in the Statute of Westminster of 1932 iirc. Until that time they are autonomous - though Westminster did have some control even over domestic policy iirc - and definitely not independent.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The white Dominions
well, i am saying technically, in EU2 terms they were nearer being vassels then british territory, and i am positive they had economic freedom by 1900, as part of the reason Chamberlaine's United Empire plan failed was because som nay places were scared of loosing 'recently gained economic freedom' (can't remember the book thats from).
Your right on forieghn policy though, forgot about that
Incidently, this is not ment to be a discussuion on how independant tey were, just how it will be moddled.
well, i am saying technically, in EU2 terms they were nearer being vassels then british territory, and i am positive they had economic freedom by 1900, as part of the reason Chamberlaine's United Empire plan failed was because som nay places were scared of loosing 'recently gained economic freedom' (can't remember the book thats from).
Your right on forieghn policy though, forgot about that
Incidently, this is not ment to be a discussuion on how independant tey were, just how it will be moddled.
An EU2-style vassalage might work after the Dominions were formed. It'd be interesting to see if the UK player will have an option to try and maintain a stricter hand over the Dominions, or be able to try to make a supra-entity work.
A vassal would have control of his own foriegn policy though, unless they are reworking the way they work for this game.
First of all, take South Africa right out of the equation. The whole Boer War, after all, only took place in 1899 or so. It wan't organized into a Dominion until almost the very end of the time period.
And there was no single point in any of these nation's history when they became completely independent of mother Britain. It came by fits and starts. The Statute of Westminster, for example, only codified and recognized what was already happening on the ground.
The Dominions did not have wholely independent foreign policies, but they did have control over their own militaries, and on their deployment (Canada refused to send troops to the Sudan in 1885, for example). Canadians were also present in the negotiation of some Empire treaties, and had offices open in London and Washington to represent Canada's interests.
It's an interesting question to think what would have happened if Canada, for example, had refused to get involved in WWI. There was nothing the Empire could have done to bring Canada into line. But Canada, and the other dominions, never even considered that Britain's war wasn't their war as well.
I would like to see the Dominions represented by a form of Vasselage / Military Control - a level between colony and fully independent. Whether it will or not remains to be seen.
I'll go for the Mackenzie/Papineau Fantasy option so Canada can have its own Foreign Policy in the Period (War with BE, War with USA with CSA, War with Napoleon III over St.Pierre cod fishery, war with Cuba etc.)
It would be tough to pull off.
It would be tough to pull off.
Originally posted by saskganesh
I'll go for the Mackenzie/Papineau Fantasy option so Canada can have its own Foreign Policy in the Period (War with BE, War with USA with CSA, War with Napoleon III over St.Pierre cod fishery, war with Cuba etc.)
It would be tough to pull off.
I dont know those are some ferocious cod fishermen over there! Actually the best time to nab those oh-so-precious cod fisheries would be either 1848 or 1871 when France is otherwise occupied.
So what does Canada want with Cuba? Ensure control of the cigar market?
If they model this after the EU2 vassal model, it will be a disaster.
Just imagine, the USA has high Badboy Points after annexing the CSA. The result is that Canada DoWs on the USA.... and then drags the rest of Britain along.
the possibility of an out of control Canada or Australia is just too funny for words
Just imagine, the USA has high Badboy Points after annexing the CSA. The result is that Canada DoWs on the USA.... and then drags the rest of Britain along.
the possibility of an out of control Canada or Australia is just too funny for words
If they do use BB in Victoria, they should exempt civil wars, so that reconquering breakaway national provinces shouldn't cause the rest of the world to attack.
Not necessarily - after 1865 Canadians were terrified at the prospect of a US invasion. The north now had something like the largest standing army in the world, and it was now battle-hardened...
It wasn't something like the largest standing army, it was by far the largest standing army in the world. It could have rolled over Canda as fast as the rail would carry them.
Until (hopefully) the entire British Empire came to our rescue.
But you understand the concern, and why something to reflect BB points (or something similar) should be included.
But you understand the concern, and why something to reflect BB points (or something similar) should be included.