The Westminster System - A British Interactive AAR

[Contravarius]

Well then the Liberals would loose their majority haha,so it would be suicide for them. You know it is easier to promise things when you're in opposition than fullfill them.

Hopefully it becomes an internal battle in the party between the different factions. Which may rsult in that they don't agree on different policies in parliament, i.e that the Liberal MP's vote differently.

Is there ANYTHING else they wouldn't agree on? I think the Liberal Party in internal disputes is far less likely than You think, my dear, differences between Scottish and Irish nationalists and Unionists and maybe some feminist radicalism might kick off some battles, but not now. Bringing their party back from almost clear extinction to a majority must raise the authority of the high-ranking party members through the roof, noone from inside the party is going to question their decisions for the next few years.

 

[ThaHoward]

Is there ANYTHING else they wouldn't agree on? I think the Liberal Party in internal disputes is far less likely than You think, my dear, differences between Scottish and Irish nationalists and Unionists and maybe some feminist radicalism might kick off some battles, but not now. Bringing their party back from almost clear extinction to a majority must raise the authority of the high-ranking party members through the roof, noone from inside the party is going to question their decisions for the next few years.

Human nature show otherwise. We want more and more, even if we are quite good to start with. They have testes this on kids. They give both i.e an apple, both eat it and are content. Give the other a chocolate and the first one don't want the apple since he want the chocolate. The Liberal party just acheived an apple as a whole, but only one faction will recieve the chocolate, something the rest of the party will want. Greatness often lead to hubris too

 

[Contravarius]

Human nature show otherwise. We want more and more, even if we are quite good to start with. They have testes this on kids. They give both i.e an apple, both eat it and are content. Give the other a chocolate and the first one don't want the apple since he want the chocolate. The Liberal party just acheived an apple as a whole, but only one faction will recieve the chocolate, something the rest of the party will want. Greatness often lead to hubris too

Surely the egoism and selfishness need some time to come out, ideas, plans and ambitions some time to properly form.
I sadly can see nothing but smooth sailing for the Liberal Party for the whole duration of the next term. After this, though, we will be there to torn them asunder, at least I will.
...And I think I have a plan for it, too.

 

[Somberg]

This resounding victory for the Liberal Party is something I could never have imagined when I first voted for it in 1945. It is a testament to the need for a moderate force of progress in British politics and of the deplorable state that the commies left the Labour Party in when they radicalized it in 1949. Forward my friends, to the yellow future of Britain!

 

[Andrzej I]

It is a testament to the need for a moderate force of progress in British politics and of the deplorable state that the commies left the Labour Party in when they radicalized it in 1949. Forward my friends, to the yellow future of Britain!

Hear, hear! Let us pray that the other parties take note of the success of moderation in this election!

 

[ThaHoward]

Hear, hear! Let us pray that the other parties take note of the success of moderation in this election!

What is moderation for you, might be radicalism for others. What is radicalism or reactionary for you might be moderate or progressive for others.

Everything is relative my friend.

And I suppose the decline of the British Empire will start, as cutbacks will happen and we will stay with an oboselete military who can't protect her colonies, dominions nor allies.

 

[Contravarius]

And I suppose the decline of the British Empire will start, as cutbacks will happen and we will stay with an oboselete military who can't protect her colonies, dominions nor allies.

Wait, You are saying that the Empire has NOT been on decline for the last 13 years? It's quite clear that none of the parties in today's Britain are strong and resolute enough to ensure the continuation of the Empire.
The Empire needs decisive actions, now.

 

[ThaHoward]

Wait, You are saying that the Empire has NOT been on decline for the last 13 years? It's quite clear that none of the parties in today's Britain are radical enough to ensure the continuation of the Empire.

An even more rapid one. Or your decline might be about loss of colonies. I am thinking about us as a Global Power. In the Suez crisis and Korean war we demonstrated that our nation were still a global power and could make great independent military operations of our own. All the while our military developed and is the third greatest, not far behind USSR. However now our military will not be modernized or even maintained. It will suffer cutbacks which will make is reliable on USA to conduct operations either abroad, to defend Europe or to defend Britain. Then we will fall from being a global power to becoming a second rate one. This will not only upset the power of balance making USSR stronger than it should be, but also make us reliable for USA to defend us.

 

[Contravarius]

An even more rapid one. Or your decline might be about loss of colonies. I am thinking about us as a Global Power.

Well, I would imagine the global power status and colonies would go hand in hand in our case.
...But Your somewhat incoherent blabber about the situation of our military forces is not that wrong either. Liberals probably will not pay enough attention to the defence of our Empire, that's true.

 

[ThaHoward]

Well, I would imagine the global power status and colonies would go hand in hand in our case.
...But Your somewhat incoherent blabber about the situation of our military forces is not that wrong either. Liberals probably will not pay enough attention to the defence of our Empire, that's true.

Well I for starters have always thought we should bot de-colonize in this pace. Also we still need to excell influence over our Dominions. And yes, cutting down so mich on our armed forces and not modernizing it (since that will require more investments) will result in us falling to a second tier power. And it will also affect industries. Think about how much they would have gained from producing our new ships, weapons, planes, providing with steel, coal and so on. But Iguess the. Liberals are livign in a pink bubble.

 

[LordTempest]

Oh look, somebody's published the Stetchford result by mistake and replaced the name of the Liberal candidate with that of Labour's James Callaghan....

I swear Tommy, if this AAR were written by almost anyone else I'd probably quit reading out of sheer ahistorical frustration at this point. The only possible plausible justification for Callaghan doing that would be that the Liberals have been so successful in securing the support of the right-wing unions that virtually all of them have defected en masse to the Liberal party. Doing so would in effect make large swathes of the Liberal Party indistinguishable from the right of the Labour Party in our timeline, with the old guard composing a minute (albeit not insignificant politically) percentage of the parliamentary party and bearded vegetarian activists if any confined to the furtherest-away fringes of the party machine. Antonine is quite right to say that this is a very different Liberal party indeed.

Social Democrats in command, old guard liberals disproportionately (heh) influential albeit significantly outnumbered and beardies all but nonexistent - it's everything the Alliance should've been and more.

If not, the fringe parties are bound to be eternal left out unless some alliance or mergers occur.

That's what we want, by God.

 

[etranger01]

Depending on what the Liberals do post-election and just how social-democratic their position ends up being, I may just switch parties.

Christ, this is depressing.

 

[Antonine]

PR! PR! PR!

Once we have PR then the unnatural coalition of different factions within the Liberals (and within other parties) can break up and we will be able to develop a representative range of parties within parliament, with the Liberals and the Conservatives naturally being the two largest parties and leaders of the right and the left respectively.

 

[DensleyBlair]

PR! PR! PR!

Once we have PR then the unnatural coalition of different factions within the Liberals (and within other parties) can break up and we will be able to develop a representative range of parties within parliament, with the Liberals and the Conservatives naturally being the two largest parties and leaders of the right and the left respectively.

And you want that?

 

[ThaHoward]

Depending on what the Liberals do post-election and just how social-democratic their position ends up being, I may just switch parties.

Christ, this is depressing.

You should have listened to us saying the Liberals are increasingley socialist and wiøø be the decline of the British Empire.

And you want that?

Ah the Liberals go against PR and a more democratic country once they get a majority. Hubris! Where are your principles?

 

[Contravarius]

You should have listened to us saying the Liberals are increasingley socialist and wiøø be the decline of the British Empire.

Who exactly is "we" in that sentence, again? You and Enewald?

 

[DensleyBlair]

Ah the Liberals go against PR and a more democratic country once they get a majority. Hubris! Where are your principles?

I've never been for PR – something I've stated many times.

 

[atomicsoda]

NO PR in Britain.

 

[Tommy4ever]

Oh look, somebody's published the Stetchford result by mistake and replaced the name of the Liberal candidate with that of Labour's James Callaghan....

I swear Tommy, if this AAR were written by almost anyone else I'd probably quit reading out of sheer ahistorical frustration at this point. The only possible plausible justification for Callaghan doing that would be that the Liberals have been so successful in securing the support of the right-wing unions that virtually all of them have defected en masse to the Liberal party. Doing so would in effect make large swathes of the Liberal Party indistinguishable from the right of the Labour Party in our timeline, with the old guard composing a minute (albeit not insignificant politically) percentage of the parliamentary party and bearded vegetarian activists if any confined to the furtherest-away fringes of the party machine. Antonine is quite right to say that this is a very different Liberal party indeed.

Social Democrats in command, old guard liberals disproportionately (heh) influential albeit significantly outnumbered and beardies all but nonexistent - it's everything the Alliance should've been and more.
That's what we want, by God.

Yes, we have to remember that the Liberals essentially built a whole new party during the 1950s in this timeline. Their electoral results in 1954 and 1958 were triple the 1949 level and even that was a major increase from their darkest days in the 1930s. With Labour collapsing during the same period the defection of the right wing of the trade union movement, a very significant, force towards the Liberals makes a lot of sense.

As a hint towards the future the primary factional struggle within the Liberals in the period ahead is going to be between these newly arrived Social Democrats who want something akin to a Labour Party Mark II only broader and firmly moderate and the 'old Liberals' who want nothing of the sort. The beardy vegetarians are left totally ignored, as you would imagine.

 

[LordTempest]

Ah the Liberals go against PR and a more democratic country once they get a majority. Hubris! Where are your principles?

Didn't you just say that adopting PR would be akin to the Libs committing seppuku?