You might be alone in that, given how vehemently your fellow Liberal leaders criticize and slander Labour.This is true, All I can say is that I'll advocate just as fiercely for a Labour-Liberal Pact as for a Renewed Liberal-Labour one.![]()
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You might be alone in that, given how vehemently your fellow Liberal leaders criticize and slander Labour.This is true, All I can say is that I'll advocate just as fiercely for a Labour-Liberal Pact as for a Renewed Liberal-Labour one.![]()
It must be made crystal clear from the start that any future Lib-Lab Alliance will be a partnership of equals, in which the sovereignty and right to exist of both parties within the alliance is respected by both parties. There can be no talk of one trying to anschluss the other - Labour voters are not going to back the Alliance if they think its just a vehicle for the Liberals to gobble up their party, and vice versa.This is true, All I can say is that I'll advocate just as fiercely for a Labour-Liberal Pact as for a Renewed Liberal-Labour one.![]()
I like to believe that said leaders (not Grimond, that man is poison) are capable of turning over a new leaf. But I want to see a formal repudiation of their past domineering ways before any hypothetical deal goes through.You might be alone in that, given how vehemently your fellow Liberal leaders criticize and slander Labour.
I know they have those tendencies but I must to overcome them if we are to win in this westminster system!You might be alone in that, given how vehemently your fellow Liberal leaders criticize and slander Labour.
Well, I meant the members for Liverpool West Derby and Rutland and Stamford, who make up this theoretical trioka that our friend, the member for Belfast South has proposed.I like to believe that said leaders (not Grimond, that man is poison) are capable of turning over a new leaf. But I want to see a formal repudiation of their past domineering ways before any hypothetical deal goes through.
It must be made crystal clear from the start that any future Lib-Lab Alliance will be a partnership of equals, in which the sovereignty and right to exist of both parties within the alliance is respected by both parties. There can be no talk of one trying to anschluss the other - Labour voters are not going to back the Alliance if they think its just a vehicle for the Liberals to gobble up their party, and vice versa.
I like to believe that said leaders (not Grimond, that man is poison) are capable of turning over a new leaf. But I want to see a formal repudiation of their past domineering ways before any hypothetical deal goes through.
Ah that thingWell, I meant the members for Liverpool West Derby and Rutland and Stamford, who make up this theoretical trioka that our friend, the member for Belfast South has proposed.
Well clearly we can't have a Lib-Lab alliance dominated by only three Liberals! That wouldn't be much of an equal partnership now would it?Well, I meant the members for Liverpool West Derby and Rutland and Stamford, who make up this theoretical trioka that our friend, the member for Belfast South has proposed.
All the same. Those members, though dear people with ideas I occasionally find agreeable enough, are amongst the most vocal critics of Labour. Perhaps even the most vocal.Ah that thingo, it's more of a pressure group inside the liberal party than the beginnings of an cross party alliance.
You need to understand that Labour need to compromise too. Liberal party have changed to a degree, and in order to be appealing Labour need to change too. However some members have expressed their desires to do so. But it takes two to Tango.Well, I meant the members for Liverpool West Derby and Rutland and Stamford, who make up this theoretical trioka that our friend, the member for Belfast South has proposed.
Well the current Labour manifesto is the most conservative, and unappealing at the moment. Doesn't mean it can't change in the future. And Antonine have expressed his desire to cooperate with Labour.All the same. Those members, though dear people with ideas I occasionally find agreeable enough, are amongst the most vocal critics of Labour. Perhaps even the most vocal.
I get you, I try to make them a bit more constructively vocal.All the same. Those members, though dear people with ideas I occasionally find agreeable enough, are amongst the most vocal critics of Labour. Perhaps even the most vocal.
More to the point, he has expressed a desire to annex the Labour Party. This is not how I view a partnership of equals.Well the current Labour manifesto is the most conservative, and unappealing at the moment. Doesn't mean it can't change in the future. And Antonine have expressed his desire to cooperate with Labour.
That I can agree on.More to the point, he has expressed a desire to annex the Labour Party. This is not how I view a partnership of equals.
Well to be clear the Radical alliance Have changed to a degree, we can't speak for Thorpe or Jenkins...You need to understand that Labour need to compromise too. Liberal party have changed to a degree, and in order to be appealing Labour need to change too. However some members have expressed their desires to do so. But it takes two to Tango.
And Labour has not been open to compromise? It has been the junior partner for the Liberals since 1950, which seems to have given the Liberal leadership a touch of arrogance, given Grimond's antics and the current Yellow manifesto demanding their views be instated or else they will not cooperate. I... cannot see how Labour is any more obstinate, and I know, myself, I am willing to compromise on... almost anything save that the welfare state be maintained, so that those born into a less fortunate state, or forced into such by ill fortune, are not left to live a life that is nasty, brutish and short, to use Hobbes' turn of phrase.You need to understand that Labour need to compromise too. Liberal party have changed to a degree, and in order to be appealing Labour need to change too. However some members have expressed their desires to do so. But it takes two to Tango.
Meanwhile, but a few pages ago, you cheer for votes that aren't even for your partyAntonine have expressed his desire to cooperate with Labour.
What are your thoughts on the Social Market Economy? I'm sure Rosa would view Labour's formal adoption of it as a fitting compromise, and I would certainly view it as a possible way to maintain the welfare state while combating unemployment and inflation.And Labour has not been open to compromise? It has been the junior partner for the Liberals since 1950, which seems to have given the Liberal leadership a touch of arrogance, given Grimond's antics and the current Yellow manifesto demanding their views be instated or else they will not cooperate. I... cannot see how Labour is any more obstinate, and I know, myself, I am willing to compromise on... almost anything save that the welfare state be maintained, so that those born into a less fortunate state, or forced into such by ill fortune, are not left to live a life that is nasty, brutish and short, to use Hobbes' turn of phrase.
Economics has never been my strong point, to be perfectly candid. At a brief skim of what the social market economy theory stands for, I hardly think I would be opposed.What are your thoughts on the Social Market Economy? I'm sure Rosa would view Labour's formal adoption of it as a fitting compromise, and I would certainly view it as a possible way to maintain the welfare state while combating unemployment and inflation.
Well to be fair, we weren't hammering out an agreement at the time...Meanwhile, but a few pages ago, you cheer for votes that aren't even for your party![]()
Alright! I think were making headway.Economics has never been my strong point, to be perfectly candid. At a brief skim of what the social market economy theory stands for, I hardly think I would be opposed.
I like to think that Tommy is paying attention.Alright! I think were making headway.
(If This were a superinteractive AAR we could be hammering out the details right now!)