The Westminster System - A British Interactive AAR

[ThaHoward]

A government the Liberals soon shunted them from, so not really. As Tommy notes just above, Labour has not had much success at all since... well, 1945. The economic situation lies solely at the feet of the Liberals and Tories, who have been the two parties trading leadership back and forth. The very best Labour has had, which is not much, is that brief pact with the Liberals where they were betrayed. I find it markedly difficult to blame them for the woes of the last five years.

And the Labour, Liberals and One Nationists economic policies have been almost identical.

Allthough I have to agree with van5. We need to look for the most successfull country in Europe; West Germany. Let us adopt their union solution (which have showed to be better for social unity, less strikes and higer wage growths) and adopt their social market system. Let us look towards Germany, and get out of the dogmas of Lord Keynes and Social Democracy, and see where the success truly lies - in the social free market.

And now it seems like Liberal Parrty may steer us towards a Social Market and Ordoliberalism. Me likey. But on the social front it is still many issues. Our market and our morality suffer from women not being allowed to participate ithe stock exchange. And we need to make a law against domestic violence!

That's what ya'd like me to believe! Wouldn't ya, ya posh git?

I am no posh. I grew up in a working class family, in a working class town outside of Liverpool. But I believe it is better solutions for the workers and the economy than socialism.

Conservative party

God bless you sir!

 

[Tommy4ever]

Ouch.

To put it into context, between 1954 and 1969 Labour and the Communist Party performed roughly the same in elections (for most of the period the Communists having the edge). From 1969-1974, even as Labour have continued to gain more support electorally whilst the Communists have remained roughly where they always have its hard to say which party has a greater social weight with the CPGB having greater influence over some key industrial unions like the NUM. And we've heard even less about major Communists than Labourites!

 

[Just_Winton]

Conservative Party

 

[ThaHoward]

Conservative Party

Looks like the Scottish are supporting Tories

 

[Tommy4ever]

That's put the Conservatives and Labour level on 14 votes each, everything to play for.

 

[Andarak]

Looks like the Scottish are supporting Tories

((It's a shame that Dadarian abandoned the Tories. I have a nice top hat prepared for him.))

 

[TheHatMan98]

Labour

 

[ThaHoward]

((It's a shame that Dadarian abandoned the Tories. I have a nice top hat prepared for him.))

One scot out, one scot in

Labour

Noo!

Don't you understand it? Liberals will turn UK into a Social Market and let us have awesome economic growth like Germany. Labour will only be the continuation of old Liberal, and stagnation.

 

[LordTempest]

Liberals will turn UK into a Social Market and let us have awesome economic growth like Germany.

Stop stealing our social democratic policies you beardie Liberals!

 

[ThaHoward]

Stop stealing our social democratic policies you beardie Liberals!

More like you who went away from actual social democracy and adopted social liberal Keynesianism

 

[Andarak]

Don't you understand it? Liberals will turn UK into a Social Market and let us have awesome economic growth like Germany. Labour will only be the continuation of old Liberal, and stagnation.

Liberals will turn UK into Liberal dictatorship under the thumb of Europe.

 

[LordTempest]

More like you who went away from actual social democracy and adopted social liberal Keynesianism

You mean like how the liberals moved away from actual social liberalism and adopted Tory monetarism?

The Labour Party is committed to the cause of social democracy in this country, of which the Social Market Economy (or Ordosocialdemocracy for short) is an integral component part.

 

[ThaHoward]

Liberals will turn UK into Liberal dictatorship under the thumb of Europe.

No we won't. We're the party who actually have given the most freedoms and rights to the population since the end of WWII.

You mean like how the liberals moved away from actual social liberalism and adopted Tory monetarism?

The Labour Party is committed to the cause social democracy in this country, of which the Social Market Economy (or Ordosocialdemocracy for short) is an integral component part.

No never said that. Haha don't make me laugh. Germany deliberatley and openly didn't follow Keynesianism, but Social Market Economy. Ludwig Erhard opposed Keynesianism, and wanted the market to be free, but still some measures from the state for social equality and justice. he SDP tried to tear it away, but failed. The result is that the Germans had way more economic growth, and actually managed to ride away the recession.

Your views on the Unions are also fundamentally different. The Germans even looked at UK economy and unions to look at how it should not be done. Currently the renewed policies of the Liberals resemble the fantastic German system. The result was I have said, less inflation, much higher economic growth, higher wage growth and less strikes and social unrest. The outdated social democratic unionism of the Labourites and dogmatic communism of the CPGB in the Unions failed, the Germans did it right. Just ask your party fellow van5

 

[LordTempest]

Haha don't make me laugh. Germany deliberatley and openly didn't follow Keynesianism, but Social Market Economy. The SDP tried to tear it away, but failed. The result is that the Germans had way more economic growth, and actually managed to ride away the recession.

At this election, I have consistently disagreed with the Tory economic policies for causing mass unemployment and social unrest. If you accept that the Social Market Economy is a viable alternative to Powell's sado-monetarism then frankly, Rosa, you agree with me more than you disagree. Either you are in the wrong party or I am in the wrong party, and given that Antonine is also in your party I think it's safe to say that you are in the wrong party.

 

[ajeto]

Germany deliberatley and openly didn't follow Keynesianism, but Social Market Economy. Ludwig Erhard opposed Keynesianism, and wanted the market to be free, but still some measures from the state for social equality and justice. he SDP tried to tear it away, but failed. The result is that the Germans had way more economic growth, and actually managed to ride away the recession.

Ay, but take into account that this is not Germany. Germany has a shortage of labor, thus it relies on gastarbeiters. We on the other hand have over a million unemployed people. Who can deliver jobs for these poor souls? Only the CPGB. If the left don't win this election, we'll have a major rise in crime, youth vandalism and suicide.

 

[Antonine]

At this election, I have consistently disagreed with the Tory economic policies for causing mass unemployment and social unrest. If you accept that the Social Market Economy is a viable alternative to Powell's sado-monetarism then frankly, Rosa, you agree with me more than you disagree. Either you are in the wrong party or I am in the wrong party, and given that Antonine is also in your party I think it's safe to say that you are in the wrong party.

Come join your real home in the Liberal party Tanzhang - we've got a Whig Wig waiting for you

 

[ThaHoward]

At this election, I have consistently disagreed with the Tory economic policies for causing mass unemployment and social unrest. If you accept that the Social Market Economy is a viable alternative to Powell's sado-monetarism then frankly, Rosa, you agree with me more than you disagree. Either you are in the wrong party or I am in the wrong party, and given that Antonine is also in your party I think it's safe to say that you are in the wrong party.

Too bad Labour Party's view on the Unions and view on nationalized industry vs. privatized is not in line with Social Market economy. As it is about better union control, laws, fewer unions, more worker partcipation, deregulated and a free market etc.

Believe me, Labour do not support a Social Market Economy They want a decentralized economy, where the state doesn't plan and directly control it - like Labour do. Their policies resemble Monetarism more than Keynesianism

So come out of the outdated Labour party, and to the party of social justice, liberty and sane economics.

 

[Andarak]

Currently the renewed policies of the Liberals resemble the fantastic German system.

Agreed. Hail Grimond! One Nation, One Leader, One Liberal Republic!

 

[ThaHoward]

Agreed. Hail Grimond! One Nation, One Leader, One Liberal Republic!

I think you're thinking too much back in time

 

[Antonine]

Ay, but take into account that this is not Germany. Germany has a shortage of labor, thus it relies on gastarbeiters. We on the other hand have over a million unemployed people. Who can deliver jobs for these poor souls? Only the CPGB. If the left don't win this election, we'll have a major rise in crime, youth vandalism and suicide.

More immigration is exactly what we need actually. More people means more consumer demand which means more economic growth which means more jobs. The problem we have is linked to the decline of British industry due to years of stagnation - therefore we need a shot of free market forces to return the failing state-owned industries to profitability and economic stimulus by tackling the cost of living through reducing the tax burden on workers. That mix, that Liberal mix, is what will stimulate our economy into growth and lower unemployment as well as rising personal prosperity.