The Westminster System - A British Interactive AAR

[ThaHoward]

I'd support an invasion of Ireland.

We already have two votes in favor of the invasion! This is great.

Quite interesting.

((From AAR/Story wise, it is something I want. But of course my character is totally against that - remember I am rven open for Northern Ireland to vote over which country they want to belong to ))

On another note, IIRC CPGB said they wanted Nothtern-Ireland to unite with Ireland to form a socialist republic. Are Ireland ruled by Marxists?

Only someone as deluded as yourself could possibly come to that conclusion.

It is not as far fetched as you might believe. Just look at what formed the NSDAP and other fascist parties. Also look at Andrej for example. I don't that the majority of Labour voters support NF. But I suppose a tiny tiny miniority synpathise with them.

I think I'm decided: Labour or the National Front.

The Tories, after all, hold policies that disdain the poor and the common man, and seek primarily to enrich the tycoons and the military. The Liberal leadership remains dictatorial, and holds far too radical and self-important demands, and the broad party faction would only give the leadership faction yet more power. And the Commies? Are commies.

The Tory policies did save UK from disaster and lasting mass unemployment. And Liberals want to further liberalize UK snd stand for social justice.

The Tories have brought the country to its knees. The Liberals brought growth, lowered inequalities and internal peace, the Tories destroyed it all. Vote Liberal, for a prosperous and peaceful Britain!

(Vote for the BP if you think Grimmond should stop meddling)

I must disagree and say that it was our policies that actually led to the crisis we saw. The Tories only inheritatd it. And the crisis was caused mainly by high inflation, negative trade balance and a too stong Pound. At least the trade balance can be fixed by enttrying EEC. So that's a reason why Liberals this time will solve the current economic situation

 

[Antonine]

Antonine Anthony-Potter Poll Time! Including Dadarian's vote!

Votes

Liberals: 6
Tories: 5
CPGB: 4
NF: 4
Labour: 3

Total: 22

Seats

Liberals: 280
Tories: 117
CPGB: 93
NF: 93
Labour: 35
Northern Ireland: 18

The situation is clear! Vote for the Liberals to keep out a coalition of extremists! Liberals are the only sane and the only substantial opposition to Powell. Vote for moderation over a transition to Weimar era Germany!

 

[atomicsoda]

I think I'm decided: Labour or the National Front.

The Tories, after all, hold policies that disdain the poor and the common man, and seek primarily to enrich the tycoons and the military. The Liberal leadership remains dictatorial, and holds far too radical and self-important demands, and the broad party faction would only give the leadership faction yet more power. And the Commies? Are commies.

Labour and NF have so much in common. Labour supports minorities in Britain and counts them as loyal supporters of the party, NF wants all non-Whites deported. "Tories disdain the poor", so I can't support them. NF only wants to deport non-whites, so they are ok. I really have no idea how you people decide to vote. :wacko:

 

[Andrzej I]

The Tories have brought the country to its knees. The Liberals brought growth, lowered inequalities and internal peace, the Tories destroyed it all. Vote Liberal, for a prosperous and peaceful Britain!

(Vote for the BP if you think Grimmond should stop meddling)

I urge caution in this with an example: 1963. The Rightists faction won handily against the One Nation leadership... but the leadership faction was elected into power and got much of the ministerial positions. A vote for the Liberals, leadership or otherwise, is likely to continue the Grimond-meddling. It's only in defeat that the party will be forced to change.

Labour and NF have so much in common. Labour supports minorities in Britain and counts them as loyal supporters of the party, NF wants all non-Whites deported. "Tories disdain the poor", so I can't support them. NF only wants to deport non-whites, so they are ok. I really have no idea how you people decide to vote. :wacko:

Eh, my vote for the NF would be mostly to appease Contravarius and add a bit of spice to the IAAR. Also, I doubt they'd be able to enact their more radical policies. Also, it'd be a better way to keep the authoritarian Liberals out of the government.

 

[Contravarius]

Eh, my vote for the NF would be mostly to appease Contravarius and add a bit of spice to the IAAR. Also, I doubt they'd be able to enact their more radical policies.

And I would very much appreciate it.
But you are just teasing, are you not?

 

[NikephorosSonar]

Conservative Party

As much as I would love to see the Communists banned, the National Front will only split the right-wing vote. This cannot stand.

 

[LordTempest]

Labour and NF have so much in common. Labour supports minorities in Britain and counts them as loyal supporters of the party, NF wants all non-Whites deported. "Tories disdain the poor", so I can't support them. NF only wants to deport non-whites, so they are ok. I really have no idea how you people decide to vote. :wacko:

This.

 

[Andrzej I]

And I would very much appreciate it.
But you are just teasing, are you not?

Oh no, I'm very much sincere. Were the National Front not, yanno, racist extremists, they may well have my vote. After all, banning the Commies? Supporting the welfare state? Cracking down hard on the terrorists?

 

[Contravarius]

Conservative Party

As much as I would love to see the Communists banned, the National Front will only split the right-wing vote. This cannot stand.

...And Uncle Contra still loves you.

 

[Dadarian]

You don't care, but still had to respond to my earlier post. Contradictory?

How about the right to bear arms? Sure, you can try robbing someone in their homes, but you can also count upon them being well armed, able to call for a local policing force, if they have bought a insurance from them that allows him to demand their protection. Heard of private security firms? If they deal badly with the consumer, the consumer can quit on them, tell others how bad they are; they will lose customers. Not like our own statist security force. Film one of them doing something bad, proceed to get beaten!

In our current society the violence is mostly done by the attackers on defenceless victims. What if everyone was having a gun, so that if someone attempts crime, the likelihood that some good honest fellow man happens to be around his gun is quite high.
The defensive party has every right to stop the attacker from inflicting damage upon the victim.

Laws do not exist to protect freedom, their sole purpose is to restrict free acts, whether good or bad. How many laws are there that state what you can do, in relation to laws that define what you CANNOT do?

Slavery is anathema to a libertarian society. Once again I will state that monopolies cannot operate on the long term on free markets, unless they happen to be some very special ones.

I'm saying that if Antonine thinks you are too pigheaded and idealistic to have a discussion with, you do not win by him giving up on your long rotten and forgotten ideals.

Sure, if they can afford to be well armed, if the police is required to assist, if the person knows how to properly use a firearm, if they can afford insurance or psfs. This is your average joe, paid shit wage over long hours and barely paying the mortgage on his incredibly expensive 10x10 apartment in the factory district, since that is all he can eck out since there is no way he can do any better. When he is robbed at gunpoint and shot for resisting, the police decide that he is not worth it, he does not know how to properly use his small handgun since he has never used one before, picking it up in the crime ridden poorer factory residence district. And PSFs or insurance? Luxuries of the upper class, think this guy can afford it? He can barely afford the yeast loafs he eats every day, paying the mortgage he has on his house. At least he is lucky enough to afford a house and a nice cushy factory job where the death toll is low. Boring and long yes, but it's the best he can do. He is just glad he can make the payments before the Bank of America sends out a PSF to forcibly collect on their dues.

If the gun works, if they can afford a gun, if there are guns available, if there is ammunition, if the ammunition works, if they get the correct ammunition, if they can load the gun, if they can use it. This argument requires too many variables and is frankly not that good. In this make belief world if everyone is armed, the better armed can take from the lesser armed. More deaths but if you need food to feed yourself, your wife and your one child, you will kill. No ifs ands or buts.

Aye, protect me from financial fraud, false advertising, sensationalised news, a proliferation of carriable and concealable firearms to people who are a danger to themselves and others, wage deflation, a rollback on basic worker rights, from production fraud. Aye I agree, these all restrict our freedom, but at what price? A better world?

Then you agree that they can happen? Then they will happen. Slavery is the anathema, but it a facet all the same. This world you want is the dream of the Communist vanguard, hell in this world I would be a Communist, to restore the heart of a heartless government and forever destroy the enslavement of man. Of course this most likely will never happen ... right Communists?

 

[ThaHoward]

Oh no, I'm very much sincere. Were the National Front not, yanno, racist extremists, they may well have my vote. After all, banning the Commies? Supporting the welfare state? Cracking down hard on the terrorists?

I see, you want the CPGB to be banned so they'll vote for Labour? I guess a vote for NF is very rational for Labour voters xD ((And please refrain from the rationality "debate" which we are all so tired of.))

 

[Andrzej I]

I see, you want the CPGB to be banned so they'll vote for Labour? I guess a vote for NF is very rational for Labour voters xD

A helpful coincidence, that, so long as they don't radicalize Labour again

 

[LordTempest]

I'm so pissed at Contra right now. If the NF win and labour do poorly then I'm going to have to vote fricking Liberal next time, and I shudder with disgust at the thought.

 

[atomicsoda]

I urge caution in this with an example: 1963. The Rightists faction won handily against the One Nation leadership... but the leadership faction was elected into power and got much of the ministerial positions. A vote for the Liberals, leadership or otherwise, is likely to continue the Grimond-meddling. It's only in defeat that the party will be forced to change.

Eh, my vote for the NF would be mostly to appease Contravarius and add a bit of spice to the IAAR. Also, I doubt they'd be able to enact their more radical policies. Also, it'd be a better way to keep the authoritarian Liberals out of the government.

Said in Germany by many in the 1930s.

Yes Liberals are authoritarian while NF is not.

 

[Contravarius]

I'm so pissed at Contra right now.

Did you need another reason to vote NF? It pisses off Tanz. No cause more noble than to piss off Tanz.

 

[Andrzej I]

Yes Liberals are authoritarian while NF is not.

By 'authoritarian', I meant in their internal politics, with the Liberals having shunted Labour out of the government, despite their electoral pact, and then expelling several Orange members as well. The National Front has yet to commit such betrayals.

But yes, a vote for the National Front, I'd hope, would see the Communists banned and the Liberals forced to take a more conciliatory view to the other parties, rather than insisting their pet projects be enacted. And, gasp, that would eliminate the pointless fringe votes

Did you need another reason to vote NF? It pisses off Tanz.

But I like Tanz

 

[LordTempest]

Did you need another reason to vote NF? It pisses off Tanz. No cause more noble than to piss off Tanz.

But it doesn't piss off Contra so it balances out.

 

[ThaHoward]

Wanting PR, devolved assemblies, legalizing homosexuality and abortion and abolishing capital punishment - very authorian.

 

[Andarak]

I'm so pissed at Contra right now. If the NF win and labour do poorly then I'm going to have to vote fricking Liberal next time, and I shudder with disgust at the thought.

((Those elections are strange. Here I was hoping for historical Labour victory, and then glorious Maggie victory, but what we get? Bloody Liberals again!))

Wanting PR, devolved assemblies, legalizing homosexuality and abortion and abolishing capital punishment - very authorian.

Wanting EEC and PR in spite of referendum - very democratic.

 

[Antonine]

Conservative Party

As much as I would love to see the Communists banned, the National Front will only split the right-wing vote. This cannot stand.

And with your vote the Liberals and the Tories are tied on 221 MPs each with the CPGB and the NF also tied on 74 MPs each while Labour languishes in 5th place with just 28 MPs.