The Westminster System - A British Interactive AAR

[LordTempest]

Kim Jong Un does not approve of this reactionary anti-revolutionary rhetoric.

Damn those fascist reactionary North Americans and their impure unfit-for-"socialism" North American blood.

 

[LordTempest]

No. Because he is saying that democracies turn into imperialistic states. Quite a few actually did, and those who were actually were imperialistic before. Like France, Roman, UK etc were imperialistic before they turned into democracies.

That is so not his argument.

 

[Doctor Stein]

Perhaps it is because I'm a Communist, but I'm rather tired of these 'capitalism is x' and then 'communism is y' arguments. So, shall we all just take a chill pill and be happy for a moment?

[video=youtube;OUJq6D5pIG4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUJq6D5pIG4[/video]

 

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um. I think the loyalists are scots.

Well I'm not being serious here.

 

[etranger01]

Sorry, but the CPGB is basically wholly discredited at this point. It's purged all but the most hard-line members from its ranks, it's intolerant toward any policy or reform effort that doesn't include armed revolution, the one government it played a role in collapsed entirely, and it has no wider relevance in the system except to consistently waste 10-20% of votes that would otherwise go toward parties that actually have a legitimate shot at forming a government. Eurocommunism was the CPGB's one shot at achieving actual mainstream relevance in the British political system and that died in fire, so you guys deserve to sit there in your corner and enjoy the fruits of your labor, which is never, ever having a meaningful voice in the process again.

 

[Contravarius]

No. Because he is saying that democracies turn into imperialistic states. Quite a few actually did, and those who were actually were imperialistic before. Like France, Roman, UK etc were imperialistic before they turned into democracies.

Then again, France was a democracy that turned to imperialistic autocracy, too. Quite a few times, if I remember correctly.

Sorry, but the CPGB is basically wholly discredited at this point. It's purged all but the most hard-line members from its ranks, it's intolerant toward any policy or reform effort that doesn't include armed revolution, the one government it played a role in collapsed entirely, and it has no wider relevance in the system except to consistently waste 10-20% of votes that would otherwise go toward parties that actually have a legitimate shot at forming a government. Eurocommunism was the CPGB's one shot at achieving actual mainstream relevance in the British political system and that died in fire, so you guys basically deserve to sit there in your corner and enjoy the fruits of your labor, which is never, ever having a meaningful voice in the process again.

Wow. And they call ME disillusioned.

 

[LordTempest]

Perhaps it is because I'm a Communist, but I'm rather tired of these 'capitalism is x' and then 'communism is y' arguments. So, shall we all just take a chill pill and be happy for a moment?

Either we ague about whether or not Communism has been discredited or we go back to having Rosa and Enewald lecture us about *shudder* monetarism for the 157th time. I for one prefer Communism.

 

[Dadarian]

Perhaps it is because I'm a Communist, but I'm rather tired of these 'capitalism is x' and then 'communism is y' arguments. So, shall we all just take a chill pill and be happy for a moment?

Lol, you think this is serious? Poor Stein.

Sorry, but the CPGB is basically wholly discredited at this point. It's purged all but the most hard-line members from its ranks, it's intolerant toward any policy or reform effort that doesn't include armed revolution, the one government it played a role in collapsed entirely, and it has no wider relevance in the system except to consistently waste 10-20% of votes that would otherwise go toward parties that actually have a legitimate shot at forming a government. Eurocommunism was the CPGB's one shot at achieving actual mainstream relevance in the British political system and that died in fire, so you guys basically deserve to sit there in your corner and enjoy the fruits of your labor, which is never, ever having a meaningful voice in the process again.

Tell that to the hordes of Communist "lurkers" that will vote anything red and covered in Cyrillic.

 

[Doctor Stein]

Either we ague about whether or not Communism has been discredited or we go back to having Rosa and Enewald lecture us about *shudder* monetarism for the 157th time. I for one prefer Communism.

Why not just take a moment away from both of those things? Lets just...Relax.

[video=youtube;O63COyZlTyU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O63COyZlTyU[/video]

Lol, you think this is serious? Poor Stein.

Nah man I understand this is all just Roleplay, but it surely must get boring for some of you to just throw insults and get angry at each other. Also yea, I may be on painkillers at the moment for my back... Just maybe.

 

[ThaHoward]

Kim Jong Un does not approve of this reactionary anti-revolutionary rhetoric.

This is a photo of Kim telling the funniest joke ever.

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The British, Japanese, South Korean and American troops died, fought and annexed North Korea to the current Korea might disagree with you

((Remember the North were annexed by the South here.))

 

[LordTempest]

Tell that to the hordes of Communist "lurkers" that will vote anything red and covered in Cyrillic.

He is right though about the wasted vote thing. The Tankies' refusal to compromise with other parties in effect makes the votes cast for the CPGB all but worthless.

 

[etranger01]

Tell that to the hordes of Communist "lurkers" that will vote anything red and covered in Cyrillic.

Without the ability to ever form a coalition, all the Stalinists can do is deny votes to Labour and shrink the proportions gained by other parties. There's no meaningful chance of the CPGB ever forming a government, so why bother caring? British communism is, for all intents and purposes, dead as a meaningful force in politics.

 

[LordTempest]

Why not just take a moment away from both of those things? Lets just...Relax.

Is the NHS handing out free soma tablets today or something? :huh:

 

[Contravarius]

Why not just take a moment away from both of those things? Lets just...Relax.

*Caesaropope breathes slowly in and out. He feels the irresistible waves of relaxation flow all over his old and worn-out body*

 

[John Forseti]

Who annexed Cuba? or the PRC? Or Vietnam? That's just one example of a republic turning imperial; almost every example of a Socialist (in the Marxian sense) state ends with it either being destroyed or it adopting capitalistic economic reforms.

And almost every example of vaguely democratic societies in history were destroyed or altered too, until about the 19th/20th centuries. I don't really support capital C Communism, pretty much for the same reasons I don't support capital C Capitalism actually since they're ridiculously naive utopic visions of an eventually perfect anarchy where everything will somehow just work out for the best(though atleast communism looks at the state of nature and says, "That's shit, we can do better" whereas capitalism looks at it and says "Meh, let's pretty much accept it..."), but pointing to the relatively tiny handful, given all of human history, of attempts to create it all of which occured agaisnt the backdrop of an existing world order extremely hostile to the idea by the way and saying "Well they didn't work, therefore in no circumstances is it ever possible for it to work" is not really the greatest of arguments.

 

[ThaHoward]

Either we ague about whether or not Communism has been discredited or we go back to having Rosa and Enewald lecture us about *shudder* monetarism for the 157th time. I for one prefer Communism.

I've mostly argued about other things And I even tried to start a discussion regarding northern Ireland and UAR.

 

[Doctor Stein]

*Caesaropope breathes in and out, slowly. He feels the irresistible waves of relaxation flow all over his old and worn-out body'

See guys? Casearpope is gettin' it! Lets just take the next couple minutes and join in on the Stein Chill Hour.

[video=youtube;zaGUr6wzyT8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaGUr6wzyT8[/video]

 

[Dadarian]

Without the ability to ever form a coalition, all the Stalinists can do is deny votes to Labour and shrink the proportions gained by other parties. There's no meaningful chance of the CPGB ever forming a government, so why bother caring? British communism is, for all intents and purposes, dead as a meaningful force in politics.

That's very very true. I wish others saw that too.

 

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And almost every example of vaguely democratic societies in history were destroyed or altered too, until about the 19th/20th centuries. I don't really support capital C Communism, pretty much for the same reasons I don't support capital C Capitalism actually since they're ridiculously naive utopic visions of an eventually perfect anarchy where everything will somehow just work out for the best(though atleast communism looks at the state of nature and says, "That's shit, we can do better" whereas capitalism looks at it and says "Meh, let's pretty much accept it..."), but pointing to the relatively tiny handful, given all of human history, of attempts to create it all of which occured agaisnt the backdrop of an existing world order extremely hostile to the idea by the way and saying "Well they didn't work, therefore in no circumstances is it ever possible for it to work" is not really the greatest of arguments.

I Agree.

 

[Contravarius]

See guys? Casearpope is gettin' it! Lets just take the next couple minutes and join in on the Stein Chill Hour.

((I too once had dreadlocks, believe it or not.))