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To be fair, the Hon. Gentleman from Rutland and Stamford is only one liberal. He may well be working outside of the party lines.

Good point, but he is the self proclaimed whip and representative for the Liberal Party. But I suppose I will wait until the election day is over, and then pop champagne :) Care to join the toast? XD

Nope, it's a campaign promise - totally above board. And if it's not above board then neither is your distribution of top hats.

Giving someone a good or service in return for a vote is illegal, corruption and electoral fraud :p
 

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Good point, but he is the self proclaimed whip and representative for the Liberal Party. But I suppose I will wait until the election day is over, and then pop champagne :) Care to join the toast? XD

I would, but I'm not a champagne socialist. Or a Tory, for that matter – though the two are largely synonymous. :D

I'll just raise a glass of Sicilian lemonade when I win my seat.
 

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I would, but I'm not a champagne socialist. Or a Tory, for that matter – though the two are largely synonymous. :D

I'll just raise a glass of Sicilian lemonade when I win my seat.

Well I don't like champagne either, it taste disgusting. How are they synomonous?

I guess I have to toast for myself then.

((Since you had trouble making my "ball" antonine, you can look at this: http://media.snl.no/system/images/1138/standard_k-bergen.gif Those are the sake things. Or you can just make me have a feminist symbol or whatevs. Maybe David Star to please Contra.))
 

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Ah I see. The great paradox of socialism, communism and social justice. Well hope you'll enjoy beer then :p

I don't drink – hence the Sicilian lemonade. :)
 

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Irrelevant, lol was?
Humans base their actions upon a priori knowledge; if there is none, they have 50/50 chances of choosing between two unknown choices.

Because stockbrokers have apriori knowledge that by following the market trend you can minimize your losses. If against all expectations firm A's stock is rising in price, others keep buying, then heck yeah you join and buy a share now, assuming according to all your currently known facts that the prise will keep rising for now, and that is all that matters. Stockbrokers operate on the short run; good investors on the long run. ;)
That is why for example Warren Buffet has had maybe the same stocks in his holdings for half a century, compared to modern investment banks trading billions of shares every second.
Therefore, following the herd is very rational, if you have had past experience that it works well financially. We humans learn everything by starting to mimic those people that are around us from the moment we are born, collecting experience; so that we later can base our choices upon the experience gained.

Objective rationality? But there is no such thing. We are humans, all our opinions are subjective. There is no 'objective' opinion, whether someone's action is rational or not. I once again restate that the concept of irrationality is a mere OPINION.
When talking about humans, their actions and preferences, please throw objectivity out of the window. ;)

The market is based upon voluntarily participation, you produce good/service A, and trade it for service/good B with someone else. No one forces you to join the market; it just happens to be very beneficial upon everyone participating in the said free exchange of goods and services. People make rational decisions in producing their products and act rationally according to the best apriori experience they have; making rational choices that fit their needs and wishes best.

Buying products above market prices can be rational. Maybe you have imperfect information, such as you don't know the next kiosk sells the good A 10 cents cheaper? Maybe you are very thirsty and want to buy water 10 cents above market price? Maybe the seller is your friend and you decide to subsidize your friends or family? Maybe the cashier smiled at you, better than at the other cheaper store. You value the smile to be worth giving up 10 cents that could be otherwise spent. :)
All those above mentioned decisions have a good subjective rationale behind them. Human mind does not operate objectively; it is simply impossible.

The EGO, your mind, cannot make objective decisions. The optimum outcome, the one that maximizes your utility most at the cheapest cost, is always the rational choice.

I'm not sure if I can put this any clearer. Sorry that English is not my first language. ;)

Do you have any feedback Antonine? Or simply accepting your defeat? At least criticize my poor language! ;)
 

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Do you have any feedback Antonine? Or simply accepting your defeat? At least criticize my poor language! ;)

I'll simply say that there is such a thing as objective rationality and reason. For example, if their is research proving that there are 10,000 Germans in the country it is not then rational to read that research and then declare that you refuse to believe it because your gut instinct is that there are hundreds of thousands of Germans in the country and you will favour trusting in your flawed perception of the world even when you have evidence proving your perception wrong.

And if you would say that there is no such thing as objective rationality and reason then please explain to me the existence of logic.

Though when you say that the human mind does not operate objectively you are actually agreeing with what I am saying - the human mind does not normally operate in an objective fashion, and never all the time, but it is capable of operating objectively on occasion which is what we call being rational as opposed to being irrational. You can look at a situation, seek to obtain all the facts and then make a logical decision based on the information you have available. That is evidence based decision making which is rational. You could also look at a situation, ignore all the facts and then make an illogical decision based on gut instinct or emotion. That is irrational decision making.

And, if you wish a real life example, there is no particular policy reason why I should not vote Labour in this election, particularly as my main priority is to keep the Conservatives out. However, I voted Liberal out of emotional attachment to that party despite having no real policy reason to do so. Therefore, I voted irrationally.
 

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As unfortunate as the overall result of this election has been, I look forward to the coming update with all due anticipation. :)
 

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As unfortunate as the overall result of this election has been, I look forward to the coming update with all due anticipation. :)

Betraying your party, even a one as communist as the Liberal Party, always puts a stain on the faction you join. Nature doesn't like treason.
 

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Betraying your party, even a one as communist as the Liberal Party, always puts a stain on the faction you join. Nature doesn't like treason.

The word 'betray' implies that one should blindly stick to one's party no matter what, which is a hideous thing in any self-respecting democracy.
 

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Final Results

Total Vote: 59 (-5) - poor turnout

Tories: 23
Labour 15
CPGB: 11
Liberals: 10

%s
Tories: 39%
Labour: 25.4%
CPGB: 18.6%
Liberals 16.9%

Weighted Votes:
Tories: 69
Labour: 30
CPGB: 11
Liberals: 10

Seat %s:
Tories: 57.5%
Labour: 25%
CPGB: 9.2%
Liberals: 8.3%

Seats:
Tories: 355
Labour: 155
CPGB: 57
Liberals: 51
UUP: 8
Irish Nationalists: 3
DUP: 1

Result: Consevative majority government, Enoch Powell becomes Prime Minister. First Consrrvative majority government since 1940!
 

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The nation has chosen. In those troublous times Britain needs a strong leader with courage to do what is right and to never falter in front of communist and nationalist terrorists - Mr. Powell will be such leader for sure. Let's remind Britain and British people the meaning of pride, that this nation forgot under Grimond's administration.
God save the Queen!

((God, finally an elections where Liberals won't have part in the government. I have to admit that I remained sceptical of chances of Tory majority to the very end, it's great that I was wrong. Now, that I've seen glorious Tory victory, I may finally rest after this long campaign.))
 

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God is with Britain today! Hallelujah! God save the Queen!
 

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Now you'll see what happens when you have a government without Liberals in it - you won't like it, mark my words.
 

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My lack of existence is worrying.

Explain to me where on earth I can find a larger version of your avatar and you can be included :p
 
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