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Rejecting the moderate left Labour in favour of a moderated right Tories. So much for the Liberals being centre-left, I guess. In general, though, ignoring the backstab the Liberals dealt to Labour, not a bad run. Managed to stay mostly out of the various revolutions and turmoil.
 

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Great update Tommy!
While I'm not really happy about Tories working with Liberals again, I'm perfectly fine with the changes in Conservative Party. Also, thank you for dissolving this electoral pact, now the next elections will be interesting again.
 

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Rejecting the moderate left Labour in favour of a moderated right Tories.

I would at least wait until the manifestoes are posted before passing ultimate judgement, but yeah, if the Tories take a harder line against racism in Southern Africa as I know Powell wants to do then I just might vote for them.
 

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I'm liking the subtle reference to convoluted factional struggles within the Liberal Party very much. :D

That said, I think this coming election will be incredibly tight indeed. Hopefully Labour will retain some of their momentum – even if the lack of an official pact will possibly hamper them somewhat. Powell's rise is troubling, though – even if the moderating influences have managed to soften some of his views. I can't say he's someone I want as PM.
 

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I would at least wait until the manifestoes are posted before passing ultimate judgement, but yeah, if the Tories take a harder line against racism in Southern Africa as I know Powell wants to do then I just might vote for them.

((Conservative Party majority would be interesting story-wise. I've read some about Powell and I'm really interested how would he fare as PM))
 

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I would at least wait until the manifestoes are posted before passing ultimate judgement
Well, that's what they did, though. Labour ministers were ejected from government, as well as more radical Orange Liberals. I suppose it is a bit soon to claim they will work with the Tories, but... the Tories were willing to work with them. And yeah, half tempted to vote for a moderated Tories, but at the same time... Labour may well need the votes. We'll see.
 

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((Conservative Party majority would be interesting story-wise. I've read some about Powell and I'm really interested how would he fare as PM))

Although one cannot help but think that to vote anything other than Labour is to appease Grimond, who frankly has transformed into a playground bully with his handling of the Alliance. Gaitskell and his party don't deserve this sort of unprovoked treatment.
 

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Well, that's what they did, though. Labour ministers were ejected from government, as well as more radical Orange Liberals. I suppose it is a bit soon to claim they will work with the Tories, but... the Tories were willing to work with them.

On the other hand, as long as the Oranges are willing to behave like dogs and masochists (to continue to be unswervingly loyal to a very abusive master who clearly doesn't want to associate with them any more) the best chance we have of kicking out the Liberals is to vote Tory.
 

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On the other hand, as long as the Oranges are willing to behave like dogs and masochists (to continue to be unswervingly loyal to a very abusive master who clearly doesn't want to associate with them any more) the best chance we have of kicking out the Liberals is to vote Tory.

Or, they could form the SDP sooner rather than later...
 

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Or, they could form the SDP sooner rather than later...

We would do well not to listen to siren voices from outside from those who have given up the fight from within. :mad:
 

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Clearly the establishment will punish the forces of moderate socialism and social democracy, perhaps it's time for the stalinist hardliners. :ninja:

The sad truth is, by damaging the Labour Party Grimond has done the Bolshies a massive favour electorally.
 

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We would do well not to listen to siren voices from outside who have given up the fight from within. :mad:

We would indeed. As unpleasant as Grimond may have acted of late, I would much rather he be allowed to step down (or even just stop being so arbitrary) of his own accord than see the party ripped apart.
 

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the Popular Army turned towards terrorism and ultra-violence
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Ultra-Violence you say?
Rise, Bowler-hats!
 

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Amazing update. A really great birthday gift! :p

Looks like the Conservatives have a real chance to form a strong government with the collapse of all the leftist party's alliances. Yeah for Powell! Yeah for Maggie! Yeah for Britain!
 

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We would indeed. As unpleasant as Grimond may have acted of late, I would much rather he be allowed to step down (or even just stop being so arbitrary) of his own accord than see the party ripped apart.

I doubt that Grimond would have acted in such a way if he did not have significant factional support within the party to do so. Getting rid of Grimond alone would not fix things.
 

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PA reminds me of Rote Armee Fraktion. If British goverment won't do something about them, Britain might have to face the same problems that West Germany had to - another reason why we need Tory government, we all know that Liberal party isn't up to the task when it comes to decisive actions.
((I strongly recommend watching The Baader Mainhof Complex. It's a great movie.))
 

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I doubt that Grimond would have acted in such a way if he did not have significant factional support within the party to do so. Getting rid of Grimond alone would not fix things.

So I guess we just K.B.O. for the foreseeable future?
 

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