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I agree with ThaHoward here, if we know that he will commit murder after receiving knife, then we can't really justify giving away the knife by claiming good faith. On the contrary, giving away knife in this situation would mean acting in mala fides.

As I say, I'm not agreeing with Kant. I'm merely offering another way to look at the problem, considering you did pose the question. :)
 

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Clearly the murderer is just exercising his rational freedums by stabbing people with the knife; it's his victim's own fault for making the poor life choices which led to him being killed by the guy with the knife in the first place. Why do liberals want to curb people's freedums? Sending the murderer to prison will only increase the size of the guvverment.
 

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Clearly the murderer is just exercising his rational freedums by stabbing people with the knife; it's his victim's own fault for making the poor life choices which led to him being killed by the guy with the knife in the first place. Why do liberals want to curb people's freedums? Sending the murderer to prison will only increase the size of the guvverment.

On the contrary it is the actions of the British government that have forced the African nations to not develop properly on their own. It is they who have created most of the problems there.
 

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Clearly the murderer is just exercising his rational freedums by stabbing people with the knife; it's his victim's own fault for making the poor life choices which led to him being killed by the guy with the knife in the first place. Why do liberals want to curb people's freedums? Sending the murderer to prison will only increase the size of the guvverment.

As ever, the Right Honourable Member sums up the crux of the issue both eloquently and accurately. :p
 

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On the contrary it is the actions of the British government that have forced the African nations to not develop properly on their own. It is they who have created most of the problems there.

No, all the problems in Africa are because the Africans are making poor life choices. If they made better life choices like Shaka Zulu did then they would have been able to repel the Europeans. This lone example proves conclusively that the problem is poor life choices made by native peoples. Anyone who disagrees is a socialist. Stop interfering with imperialist countries freedums! It will only increase the size of teh guvverment.
 

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No, all the problems in Africa are because the Africans are making poor life choices. If they made better life choices like Shaka Zulu did then they would have been able to repel the Europeans. This lone example proves conclusively that the problem is poor life choices made by native peoples. Anyone who disagrees is a socialist. Stop interfering with imperialist countries freedums! It will only increase the size of teh guvverment.

I believe Enewald would be against imperalism and colonialzation :)

Not if prisoners are sent to private work ca-... prisons.

True face of communists, true face.
 

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And this is relevant how? You talk about forced labour, like Lenin cat want for those who do not agree, and you reffer to private run prisons im USA to justify it?

Justify it? I was talking about its condemnation. Maybe you missed some context?
 

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Ah then I see. Still these prisons are under strict government regulations and supervision. It could be compared to much nationalized industries. Or like natural monopolies, like road construction. Still it is only private in the sense that it is built or run by the private. But it is still the government/court/police who decide who to put in jail and their terms and the rules and laws and regulations for these prisons.

Not saying I am supporting it or not btw ;)

Justify it? I was talking about its condemnation. Maybe you missed some context?

Yes thought you were talking about sending citizens to forced labour camps like lenin_cat want to. Missed the private part. My bad.

Still it haven't happened in our lifetime :p
 

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Of if only that were true! :(, I've read terrible things.

Not worse than what different government agencies do :p

And problems in USA is not really if prisons are private or not. It is the prison system itself that is horrible.
 

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But it is still the government/court/police who decide who to put in jail and their terms and the rules and laws and regulations for these prisons.

The oppressive state infringing on people's freedums again, I see. We should get rid of these regulations and laws; it will lead to a smaller guvverment.
 

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The oppressive state infringing on people's freedums again, I see. We should get rid of these regulations and laws; it will lead to a smaller guvverment.

Well the private citizens are not allowed to interefere in other freedoms and violate their rights, and coerce and use force on them. So they are not allowed to imprison someone against their will :)

Doesn't see how all this is relevant. For either the election result, current government, anticipations or even Enewald's views. As he would disagree with what you're saying.
 
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Not worse than what different government agencies do :p

And problems in USA is not really if prisons are private or not. It is the prison system itself that is horrible.

I suppose so but restructuring the prison system would require breaking the Private prison companies no?
 
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