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An Election in 1963 and one in 1964?
One more government like the previous one and I wager me and Caesaropope dom Contravarius will have succeeded!
Everyon! Vote for the Conservatives and the Liberals! Make thins as non - radical as possible!
Why not the conservatives and the communists then? They are the radicals.

I am glad to see the Lib-Lab pact that has emerged, and look forward to what will hopefully be a prosperous election for both parties. My vote will once again go to the Liberal Party – whom I can now fully support having seen the motion on PR defeated.
And I am not glad to see liberalism jumping into bed with socialism for power. If only the Liberal party became Radical Centrist. That is more free market orientated, and for further social and political freedoms like revising the whole upper house charade. But alas, they have become conservative and pro status quo and are having coitus with the socialists. What to do? :(

sigh...
The Tories are not for really free markets, nor they do fully support freedom of the individual.
Is there any really pro-immigration party? Classical liberal party that supports free trade and free markets?
Liberty of the individual?

I cannot support Powell.
I have always voted for the smallest evil.
How the parties might change their policies in the future is yet unknown, but as it is I must cast my vote in a way that causes the least loss of utility to myself, choosing the least disgusting choice from the said sad list represented above;

I vote for the Liberals

*cries in the corner*
Now now. At least you are supporting increased free trade with Europe and greater liberties to individual women.

There there. It's not so bad over here...

I will admit, I did see this coming. :p
With the Labour party it is quite bad over here :p

Well, LibLab electoral pact basically means Liberal victory, so this time I will wait and see how the situation will develop. I'm actually thinking about voting for Labour this time.
Seriously though, Tommy, why have you decided to give Liberals electoral pact with Labour? Conservative Party was never able to win the elections on their own - merger with NatLibs could give Tories a chance to achieve majority at least once. I would be perfectly OK with electoral pact in the next elections as a result of Tory victory (which even with the merger would be hard), but such thing now is just trolling the conservative supporters. Shame on you, sir.
((I have to agree with you there. But it make it all the more exciting! :) ))

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Ah who to vote for? Both the Conservatives and the Liberals might increase state control. But as it currently stand the Liberals are not so paternalistic and patriarchal - and the socialist movement don't seem that bad. What are the difference between Liberal and Labour economy? Both want status quo with neither privatization or nationalization, but that Labour may want to Natinalize key industries?

Ah, maybe I should vote for the Stalinist commies to further weaken and alienate the left. At least I am in West Derby and could easiley make that platform :D
 

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Ah, maybe I should vote for the Stalinist commies to further weaken and alienate the left. At least I am in West Derby and could easiley make that platform :D
Yes, vote for the hardliner commies, that should keep the commies isolated.
 

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Yes, vote for the hardliner commies, that should keep the commies isolated.
Yes I am actually seriously concidering it :p The communist party is pro-abortion at least, so further isolating them would not be that bad. It would be magnificent, heroic,,sacrificing myself for the greater good! :laugh:

On a more serious note, I would not to such a thing.
 
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Yes I am actually seriously concidering it :p The communist party is pro-abortion at least, so further isolating them would not be that bad. It would be magnificent, heroic,,sacrificing myself for the greater good! :laugh:
You know you want to vote for the communists. Yes, do it.
 

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So difficult to choose this time. I am inclined towards none of the above given Powell is so repulsive and I can't bear to see Densley gloat over a(nother) Liberal win. I may have to wait until the wire this time.
 

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Well, LibLab electoral pact basically means Liberal victory, so this time I will wait and see how the situation will develop. I'm actually thinking about voting for Labour this time.
Seriously though, Tommy, why have you decided to give Liberals electoral pact with Labour? Conservative Party was never able to win the elections on their own - merger with NatLibs could give Tories a chance to achieve majority at least once. I would be perfectly OK with electoral pact in the next elections as a result of Tory victory (which even with the merger would be hard), but such thing now is just trolling the conservative supporters. Shame on you, sir.
I wouldn't be so sure. The combined Liberal-Labour vote has been very close to the combined Conservative-Nat Lib vote in the past couple of elections - these are two blocks of roughly equal size. Moreover, the total unification of the Right is more beneficial in the long term than a temporary alliance of the Centre-Left. At the same time you have to take into account the impact the Powellite challenge to the postwar consensus would have on moderates - making them much more keen to unite.
 

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So difficult to choose this time. I am inclined towards none of the above given Powell is so repulsive and I can't bear to see Densley gloat over a(nother) Liberal win. I may have to wait until the wire this time.
Vote Tory to spite Densley! :D
 

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I wouldn't be so sure. The combined Liberal-Labour vote has been very close to the combined Conservative-Nat Lib vote in the past couple of elections - these are two blocks of roughly equal size. Moreover, the total unification of the Right is more beneficial in the long term than a temporary alliance of the Centre-Left. At the same time you have to take into account the impact the Powellite challenge to the postwar consensus would have on moderates - making them much more keen to unite.
Maybe it was, but you have to consider the fact that merger doesn't actually mean that all of the NatLib voters will vote for Conservative Party. We can already see it now - main National Liberal supporter voted for Liberals. Also, radicalisation of Conservative Party means that people who voted for One Nationist or people who voted for Rightist, but didn't exactly want total Rightist victory (I count myself among them, I must admit that I miscalculated - I thought that Rightist victory in faction struggle was improbable) may want to support more moderate party, which again means more votes for Liberals. And I don't really see why moderates should unite - again, radicalisation of Conservative Party means that moderate Tory voters will suport Liberals, and even in the last elections Liberals were very close to achieving majority. Such push toward unity would be rational if the Conservative Party managed to win the elections.
 

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I vote for the Liberals!

Also, this Lib Lab pact isn't quite so bad - in Rutland some Labourites have come out from hiding and we've been getting along splendidly to the extent that they are now permitted to make us tea while we campaign.

We also had a fanatical former National Liberal join us. Frankly I find him slightly frightening so I've sent him to guard the wine cellar against Communists - I'll unlock the cellar door once the election's over.

I must confess to still having a deep feeling of foreboding ever since Enewald voted for us. Historically, his support has't exactly been an omen of success...
 

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I make that three Liberal votes so far to one Tory vote.

Landslide victory here we come!
 

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I vote for the Liberals!

Also, this Lib Lab pact isn't quite so bad - in Rutland some Labourites have come out from hiding and we've been getting along splendidly to the extent that they are now permitted to make us tea while we campaign.

We also had a fanatical former National Liberal join us. Frankly I find him slightly frightening so I've sent him to guard the wine cellar against Communists - I'll unlock the cellar door once the election's over.

I must confess to still having a deep feeling of foreboding ever since Enewald voted for us. Historically, his support has't exactly been an omen of success...
Well the National-Liberal dominated the political scenes with the Conservatives for two terms. Will be interesting to see how long Enewald will be in the Liberal party, and if he will support the monetarists in the future.

And fascinating you don't seem to mind me being a liberal - during the last election. Sp laybe y'all don't see me as radical anymore.

I make that three Liberal votes so far to one Tory vote.

Landslide victory here we come!
Don't skin the bear before it is shot ;) Remember how it was last time? Supposed Communist kajority and conservative extinction ;)

And double post here we came :p
 

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Maybe it was, but you have to consider the fact that merger doesn't actually mean that all of the NatLib voters will vote for Conservative Party. We can already see it now - main National Liberal supporter voted for Liberals. Also, radicalisation of Conservative Party means that people who voted for One Nationist or people who voted for Rightist, but didn't exactly want total Rightist victory (I count myself among them, I must admit that I miscalculated - I thought that Rightist victory in faction struggle was improbable) may want to support more moderate party, which again means more votes for Liberals. And I don't really see why moderates should unite - again, radicalisation of Conservative Party means that moderate Tory voters will suport Liberals, and even in the last elections Liberals were very close to achieving majority. Such push toward unity would be rational if the Conservative Party managed to win the elections.
Regardless of whether the Tories win or lose this election (and its way too early to make any prediction on that), playing the long game the Right is in a much healthier position. If Powell does really badly then the Tories may have to re orientate their policies accordingly.
 

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If you read my voting post, you will discover my rationale behind choosing Liberals. They are the least disgusting choice for me.
I refuse to support Powell, who is taking Tories towards more insane fascist policies; increased state, oppression of movement, neoimperialism, no plans for a more free markets.
The Tories have very little in common with virtues of old NLP.
And, as a Liberal now maybe I can convince the party to become more tolerant of classical liberal values.

I'm a liberal under the classical definition of liberalism. The modern Liberals have come far away from promoting freedom of the individual, and have been poisoned by socialist dogma, but as things are currently, they are still the least worst alternative to vote for from my point of view.

May liberty of the individual prevail.
 

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If you read my voting post, you will discover my rationale behind choosing Liberals. They are the least disgusting choice for me.
I refuse to support Powell, who is taking Tories towards more insane fascist policies; increased state, oppression of movement, neoimperialism, no plans for a more free markets.
The Tories have very little in common with virtues of old NLP.
And, as a Liberal now maybe I can convince the party to become more tolerant of classical liberal values.

I'm a liberal under the classical definition of liberalism. The modern Liberals have come far away from promoting freedom of the individual, and have been poisoned by socialist dogma, but as things are currently, they are still the least worst alternative to vote for from my point of view.

May liberty of the individual prevail.
For the bolded part: Apart from privatizing all state industries and abonding Keynesianism, sure they are not having plans for a free market at all ;)

And maybe their fascist policies will lead to the banning of the communist party and crack down on unions :) But I am happy to see you support the liberalization of women! :D
 

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Liberals.

A stand must be taken by all moderates and/or sane people against the radical-right menace! Only we can save you from Powell and his packs of ravenous bulldogs with a taste for human flesh! :eek:!

(Very surprised at Enewald's decision, too :p.)
 

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This is the happiest day of my fictional life.
Well well, the classical and radical wing of the Liberal party are growing with representatives like Enewald and me. So I wouldn't be that happy ;)
 

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I vote for the Liberals

*cries in the corner*
The merger... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. We are defenseless. Take your vote. Vote us up with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Liberal side will be complete!
 

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Well well, the classical and radical wing of the Liberal party are growing with representatives like Enewald and me. So I wouldn't be that happy ;)
I on the other hand, am very happy indeed at the prospect of that happening. :)
 
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