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But what if those winners are important enough to warrant their own constituency update?
Then you just give the number of first preferences received by that candidate - STV allows you to vote between parties and between candidates at the same time.
 

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Then you just give the number of first preferences received by that candidate - STV allows you to vote between parties and between candidates at the same time.
You would think that I'd know how STV works given that I support it, no? :p

The issue is, if Tommy wants to show which MPs have been elected and he simply shows candidates by the first preference vote and says "oh BTW this fellow ranked fifth also go elected third after preferences" then that causes a bit of potential for confusion, no?
 

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I like the Liberal governments reforms. Especially with tax cuts, legalizing homosexuality (kudos!) and the commonwealth reform and imperial policies.

However as I said we've moved to a second rate power. We are no longer capable of defending our interests and territories abroad. Just look at Asia, as I said Communism have spread. And we're no longer capable of defending our interests in our colonies. Just look at Iraq and Kuwait. I warned you so! Cutting down on our military and maling it age is not the way to go!mwe need to re-arm, build up our navy again and modernize our military. It is for example much easier to to interevene in Kuwait if we have state of the art carriers and jet fighters. If it had not been for this naiive policy and the Liberals becoming more social democratic I would have voted for them in light of the recent social and imperial reforms. Alas their other foreign and military policies are disastrous.
 

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I like the Liberal governments reforms. Especially with tax cuts, legalizing homosexuality (kudos!)
Yay! I feel it's important to state however that they've only legalised homosexual relations between men (Lesbianism was never technically illegal in Britain, allegedly because Queen Victoria refused to believe that such a thing even existed) and that they've done nothing to legalise abortion! Damned liberals, why aren't they liberalising more stuff!?

However as I said we've moved to a second rate power. We are no longer capable of defending our interests and territories abroad. Just look at Asia, as I said Communism have spread. And we're no longer capable of defending our interests in our colonies. Just look at Iraq and Kuwait. I warned you so! Cutting down on our military and maling it age is not the way to go!mwe need to re-arm, build up our navy again and modernize our military. It is for example much easier to to interevene in Kuwait if we have state of the art carriers and jet fighters. If it had not been for this naiive policy and the Liberals becoming more social democratic I would have voted for them in light of the recent social and imperial reforms. Alas their other foreign and military policies are disastrous.
Boo! (Although to be fair, if I read the update right Tommy *is* modernising Britain's military. For instance, the ships he appears to be scrapping must've been built during the war. (he does refer to the submarines as being obsolete - and given that nuclear submarines can be researched by 1957 IIRC that would be a very accurate statement)
 

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Yay! I feel it's important to state however that they've only legalised homosexual relations between men (Lesbianism was never technically illegal in Britain, allegedly because Queen Victoria refused to believe that such a thing even existed) and that they've done nothing to legalise abortion! Damned liberals, why aren't they liberalising more stuff!?



Boo! (Although to be fair, if I read the update right Tommy *is* modernising Britain's military. For instance, the ships he appears to be scrapping must've been built during the war. (he does refer to the submarines as being obsolete - and given that nuclear submarines can be researched by 1957 IIRC that would be a very accurate statement)
Well I gotta agree there. Abortion for example should be legal, but it is a first nice step. Especially considering it was not on their agenda, and I suppose most of the British people are opposed to homosexuality. And yes Queen Victoria was - ironically - quite patriarchal. She thought women should be like "God intended" and to be merely a property for men and fulfill their duties to men.

Well I agree about scrapping old and oboselete equicment. As I've said I'm in favor of modern military. However the Liberal government haven't done anything to modernize the current armed forces. For an instance they just get rid of old ship instead of replacing them with new ones. This is at least how I have understood the last years, and the reports that only 1/3 are being modernized due to government cuts in the armed forces. We can see the results as we are currently unable to intervene in Kuwait, Iraq and south east Asia.

Also I would like to transform the Empire into a union. That is base it upon the failed European Economical Area. Create a Commonwealth Economical Area - the CEA. As we saw after the Thirteen Colonies rebelled, we still got profits from the old colonies through trade. So I believe establishing a free tade and common economical area is a good way to go. To try to get as many of the commonwealth nations into it. To have free trade and a common regulations of the market - as much it is possible. And to create for example joint government agencies to battle against cartels. Then our former Empire will once more be integrated, but this time through peace, trade and cooperation rather than force, exploitation and dominance. Maybe also in the future it can be more of a political union too. I would support that whole heartly :)
 

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Well I agree about scrapping old and oboselete equicment. As I've said I'm in favor of modern military. However the Liberal government haven't done anything to modernize the current armed forces. For an instance they just get rid of old ship instead of replacing them with new ones. This is at least how I have understood the last years, and the reports that only 1/3 are being modernized due to government cuts in the armed forces. We can see the results as we are currently unable to intervene in Kuwait, Iraq and south east Asia.
Well, depending how you look at it, any reduction in total numbers would be a "cut." Even if Tommy disbanded all obsolete ships and built a nuclear submarine in their place then you'd have a net cut in defence spending, as it would cost more to maintain those obsolete ships than to disband them. I agree that we need a larger navy than that which the Liberals have planned, but we also need a more efficient one: nuclear submarines are to the Cold War what dreadnoughts were to the Great War.

Also I would like to transform the Empire into a union. That is base it upon the failed European Economical Area. Create a Commonwealth Economical Area - the CEA. As we saw after the Thirteen Colonies rebelled, we still got profits from the old colonies through trade. So I believe establishing a free tade and common economical area is a good way to go. To try to get as many of the commonwealth nations into it. To have free trade and a common regulations of the market - as much it is possible. And to create for example joint government agencies to battle against cartels. Then our former Empire will once more be integrated, but this time through peace, trade and cooperation rather than force, exploitation and dominance. Maybe also in the future it can be more of a political union too. I would support that whole heartly :)
I cannot adequately express in words how much I would be in favour of this.
 

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Union? Bah!

We need to invade all of our former territories, including India, hang the nationalists on accounts of Communism, and then force them onto collective farms, which is not ironic at all.
 

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Union? Bah!

We need to invade all of our former territories, including India, hang the nationalists on accounts of Communism, and then force them onto collective farms, which is not ironic at all.
I say the liberals force you to work on a farm, which is not ironic at all. :)
 

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You would think that I'd know how STV works given that I support it, no? :p

The issue is, if Tommy wants to show which MPs have been elected and he simply shows candidates by the first preference vote and says "oh BTW this fellow ranked fifth also go elected third after preferences" then that causes a bit of potential for confusion, no?
More or less confusing than the Westminster System? :p
 

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Well, depending how you look at it, any reduction in total numbers would be a "cut." Even if Tommy disbanded all obsolete ships and built a nuclear submarine in their place then you'd have a net cut in defence spending, as it would cost more to maintain those obsolete ships than to disband them. I agree that we need a larger navy than that which the Liberals have planned, but we also need a more efficient one: nuclear submarines are to the Cold War what dreadnoughts were to the Great War.



I cannot adequately express in words how much I would be in favour of this.
Ironically modern ships and airplanes cost more even in fewer numbers. It is actually a graph and "formula/rule" for this :p But what I meant by reduction is that they take away the obsolete ships. That is necessary! But they don't replace them with modern ones. The Navy, Army and Air Force need to be modernized. Less military spending also mean less to investments for new equicment and arms and to maintanence of these. For example we need nuclear submarines indeed and super-carriers and new jet fighters like the American Phantom. Currently our carriers are only able to carry air planes from WWII and not these new jets. We need to modernize the armed forces as a whole. This will make war with USSR seem even more impossible, and for countries like Iraq etc we just need to send our new jets and bomb them. It will result in less losses from our side and quicker wars.

And that is good you agree on these points :p
 

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More or less confusing than the Westminster System? :p
I find the system incredibly easy to understand. But hey, some people find AV, or even the concept of constituencies, to be confusing. ;)
 

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More or less confusing than the Westminster System? :p
More, by God! Much more. :D

Actually, I'm fine with STV. It's AMS I can't grasp.
 

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Not only is homosexuality legal, so is same-sex marriage - given that the original legislation defining marriage never explicitly restricted it to being between a man and a woman only. The only restriction on marriage rights is that you can only have two people married to each other at anyone time.
 

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Ironically modern ships and airplanes cost more even in fewer numbers. It is actually a graph and "formula/rule" for this
In terms of IC, supplies, or supplies burden on net IC?

But what I meant by reduction is that they take away the obsolete ships. That is necessary! But they don't replace them with modern ones. The Navy, Army and Air Force need to be modernized. Less military spending also mean less to investments for new equicment and arms and to maintanence of these. For example we need nuclear submarines indeed and super-carriers and new jet fighters like the American Phantom. Currently our carriers are only able to carry air planes from WWII and not these new jets. We need to modernize the armed forces as a whole. This will make war with USSR seem even more impossible, and for countries like Iraq etc we just need to send our new jets and bomb them. It will result in less losses from our side and quicker wars.
Screw that! We're British, we should be designing our own fighter jets!

And that is good you agree on these points :p
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So what do we still need to reform? Capital punishment? Abortion laws? If we tell Tommy now, he can be sure to include it all in our next manifesto. :D
 

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Not only is homosexuality legal, so is same-sex marriage - given that the original legislation defining marriage never explicitly restricted it to being between a man and a woman only. The only restriction on marriage rights is that you can only have two people married to each other at anyone time.
But would two married men have the same legal rights as a heterosexual married couple?
 

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So what do we still need to reform? Capital punishment? Abortion laws? If we tell Tommy now, he can be sure to include it all in our next manifesto. :D
We need to reform devolution, by which I mean "get rid of it." Oh, and something needs to be done about Northern Ireland.
 

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I find the system incredibly easy to understand. But hey, some people find AV, or even the concept of constituencies, to be confusing. ;)
Well, it's fairly easy to display a result in a way which people can understand:

2011 general election: Limerick City

Fine Gael Michael Noonan 30.8% 13,291
Fine Gael Kieran O'Donnell 12.5% 5,405
Fianna Fáil Willie O'Dea 16.1% 6,956
Labour Party Jan O'Sullivan 14.7% 6,353
Sinn Féin Maurice Quinlivan 8.6% 3,711
Labour Party Joe Leddin 5.6% 2,411
Fianna Fáil Peter Power 5.3% 2,303
Independent Kevin Kiely 2.6% 1,129
Socialist Party Cian Prendiville 1.7% 721
Green Party Sheila Cahill 1.1% 490
Christian Conor O'Donoghue 0.4% 186
Independent Denis Riordan 0.4% 173
Independent Matt Larkin 0.1% 59

Electorate: 64,909 Turnout: 43,617 (67.2%)

Bold denotes elected.
 

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Not only is homosexuality legal, so is same-sex marriage - given that the original legislation defining marriage never explicitly restricted it to being between a man and a woman only. The only restriction on marriage rights is that you can only have two people married to each other at anyone time.
((Well, explain how same sex marriage just got legalized in England then.))

In terms of IC, supplies, or supplies burden on net IC?



Screw that! We're British, we should be designing our own fighter jets!



"One of the things I like about Tanzhang is that when he agrees with Madame Rosa, he says so."
((No IRL. Can't remember the name. But one F-16 is much more expensive than a 100 spitfires. Still it is much more comabt effective. Think they calculated that two F-16 alone could win WWII if they had unlimited supply of fuel and arms. It is much more expensive, but each plane, ship, small arms is much more effective. That means the armed forces become smaller but more effective. Just look at the Gulf War. Coalition forces more or less raped the Iraqi forces because of superior technology and units.))

I said like the Phantoms :) That means we should have arms that have the same quality as the anericans, but produced in Britain. Then we will become more reliant on ourselves and not USA and it is good for our local industries. However if our industrial capacity do not follow up, we can buy it from USA and then examine their new production methods and apply it to ourselves. Like we did with ballistic missiles from Germany, or how Germany built their industry - by importing existing technology from us and using it as a basis for futhe development.

So what do we still need to reform? Capital punishment? Abortion laws? If we tell Tommy now, he can be sure to include it all in our next manifesto. :D
Yes these things and general educational reforms.
 
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