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Tories support all sorts of colours and shades too. :p
You mean like "Ghost white", "Baby powder white", "Floral white", "Seashell white" "Beigeish white" and "Dutch white", right?
Yeah, me too. ALL sorts of colours and shades.


((God, what a dumb joke. :D))
 

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((God, what a dumb joke. :D))

Oh, I've heard of worse ones.

Guy: Did you hear about the time some nutjob in a paper hat led a futile cavalry charge against the Reichstag?

Girl: No.

Guy: Me neither.
 

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Now given all that, would it not be likely that the influence of the Red Guards over the party as a whole would not be as great as it was in OTL?
Not to mention, unlike the OTL, the CPGB is actually doing rather well. I think the Red Guard would be more likely to develop there rather than in the Liberal Party, especially if CPGB abandons its Soviet ties but keeps its isolationist policies. Either that, or perhaps radical Labour, which also had been isolationist a few elections ago. That being said, I agree that the Liberals and Labour will, to simplify it, largely be swapped from OTL. The Liberal factions, I suspect, might be made up of moderate Labour members who defected to Labour, rather than radical-left 'libertarian socialists'.
 

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Not to mention, unlike the OTL, the CPGB is actually doing rather well. I think the Red Guard would be more likely to develop there rather than in the Liberal Party, especially if CPGB abandons its Soviet ties but keeps its isolationist policies. Either that, or perhaps radical Labour, which also had been isolationist a few elections ago. That being said, I agree that the Liberals and Labour will, to simplify it, largely be swapped from OTL. The Liberal factions, I suspect, might be made up of moderate Labour members who defected to Labour, rather than radical-left 'libertarian socialists'.

To be fair, the "Red Guards" Is just the pejorative nickname that an OTL Liberal Leader gave to the radical Liberal students and activists within the party. They weren't actually Maoists or radical Marxists of any sort, at least not all of them...
 

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Oh, definitely. Still, I think they'd likely fit best with CPGB, what with their isolationist views, and CPGB is... well, currently the most isolationist of the lot. Maybe Labour, since they want to be a part of NATO only in defense. Come to think of it, I suppose Labour might actually be better than CPGB for them, striving to drive Labour out of NATO and all.

Anyways, bit sad to see Labour fall as hard as it has. As I previously said, I find it wryly amusing that it fell due to the Communists defecting to radicalize Labour then defecting back after sabotaging it. I can only but wonder how Labour would be doing if not for that event.


Also, Poll from a Pole time!

Total Vote: 46

Liberals: 16
Tories: 14
CPGB: 6
Labour: 5
Nat Libs: 5

%s:
Liberals: 34.8%
Tories: 30.4%
CPGB: 13.0%
Labour: 10.9%
Nat Libs: 10.9%

Weighted:
Liberals: 32
Tories: 28
CPGB: 3
Labour: 2.5
Nat Libs: 2.5

Seats:
Liberals: 290
Tories: 254
CPGB: 27
Labour: 23
Nat Libs: 23
UUP: 12
 
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Gah this is so exciting. Let us just pray that Conservative-UUP-National Liberals come to an agreement and that Labour and Liberals don't.

Or that we get a sudden surge of National Liberal and Conservative voters :D
 
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Gah this is so exciting. Let us just pray that Conservative-UUP-National Liberals come to an agreement and that Labour and Liberals don't.

why do you treat us like communists! :angry:

How are we mortal enemies of Britain!

I also noticed your Quote marks on "liberals" before, It is rather insulting to say we are not at the very least a type of liberal!
 
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As it stands, neither the Tory-Nat Lib-UUP nor the Lib-Lab potential alliances would hold a majority of Parliament. The Communists, simply put, have seized just enough of Parliament to render it impotent. Mind, Lib-Lab is only two seats short of a majority, though I am skeptical of how long such an alliance would last. Tory-Nat Lib-UUP is 26 seats short, but much more likely to be cooperative.

And Mister Grant-Covington, I pray you excuse the member for Liverpool West Derby. She merely is one of the more fervent secessionists from the Liberal Party, an ardent supporter of the National Liberals... despite voting for the Conservative and Union Party in this election. Either way, her strong economic views are what lead her - I should think - to condemn the Liberals so.
 

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why do you treat us like communists! :angry:

How are we mortal enemies of Britain!

I also noticed your Quote marks on "liberals" before, It rather insulting to say we are not at the very least a type of liberal!

Well the Communists are in no positin to form a government. That's why I don't fear them. And I must said that. I am glad that it is the Liberal Party who are in opposition and not the socialists and communists. I don't have any issues with the Liberals, but as the current situation is having the Liberals in goverment will lead to naiive politics and jepordize Britains position in the world, our relations in the future and hurt our economy domestically. Also it is quite hypocritical of them to claim they support the industries, workers and wealth when they take away the greatest income to industries - military development.

And Mister Grant-Covington, I pray you excuse the member for Liverpool West Derby. She merely is one of the more fervent secessionists from the Liberal Party, an ardent supporter of the National Liberals... despite voting for the Conservative and Union Party in this election. Either way, her strong economic views are what lead her - I should think - to condemn the Liberals so.

I am merely making a difference between Classical Liberals and Social Liberals. Or as it is in Britian these times Conservative Liberal and Social Liberal. Unfortunately it is no proper Classical Liberal party. But when I'm saying liberal it could mean national liberal, social liberal, socially liberal, democrat, conservative liberal, classical etc etc etc. That's why I said 'Liberal' to show that I meant the Liberal Party and not necessairly a liberal ideology :)
 
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When does voting close by the way, still 10 am on monday?
 

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I am merely making a difference between Classical Liberals and Social Liberals. Or as it is in Britian these times Conservative Liberal and Social Liberal. Unfortunately it is no proper Classical Liberal party. But when I'm saying liberal it could mean national liberal, social liberal, socially liberal, democrat, conservative liberal, classical etc etc etc. That's why I said 'Liberal' to show that I meant the Liberal Party and not necessairly a liberal ideology :)

Must we trod along down that well-beaten path for the seventy-seventh time?

As it stands, neither the Tory-Nat Lib-UUP nor the Lib-Lab potential alliances would hold a majority of Parliament. The Communists, simply put, have seized just enough of Parliament to render it impotent. Mind, Lib-Lab is only two seats short of a majority, though I am skeptical of how long such an alliance would last. Tory-Nat Lib-UUP is 26 seats short, but much more likely to be cooperative.

Hm. So if one of those pro-Labour abstainers were to vote Labour, then they'd make the difference then? Suppose also that were Labour to enter the government, they might have to dispose of Wilson and elect a leader more friendly to the Liberals in order to make such a coaltion work, someone like Gaitskell perhaps? Just a thought. :)
 

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Assuming Labour is amenable to a coalition with the Liberals, which may or may not work out, especially since the radical wing gained such a heavy majority over the moderates, most of whom, I imagine, defected to the Liberals. But yes, a single vote in favour of the Liberals or Labour would tip the precarious balance we have. A vote for the Tories, Nat Libs, or the Communists would - I am fairly certain - maintain the non-functioning stalemate. Come to think of it, a vote for the Liberals may push them beyond 35%, giving a far more comfortable government, rather than a majority by a small handful of seats.
 
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Must we trod along down that well-beaten path for the seventy-seventh time?

If you had paid attention to what I said, you'll see that I wrote 'Liberal' to signalize that I menat that party and not liberal ideologies in general. To avoid that debate :)
 

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Assuming Labour is amenable to a coalition with the Liberals, which may or may not work out, especially since the radical wing gained such a havy majority over the moderates, most of whom, I imagine, defected to the Liberals. But yes, a single vote in favour of the Liberals or Labour would tip the precarious balance we have. A vote for the Tories, Nat Libs, or the Communists would - I am fairly certain - maintain the non-functioning stalemate. Come to think of it, a vote for the Liberals may push them beyond 35%, giving a far more comfortable government, rather than a majority by a small handful of seats.

Let us hope none will vote for the leftist parties then, but the right wing ones! :D
 

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So you want a weak government - or worse, a minority government?
 

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I am pretty burnt out of ICing. It is so ... dull. So yeah. I'm going to radically calm down.
 

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So you want a weak government - or worse, a minority government?

I would preffer a strong Conservative government, i.e enough votes to let them get over 35%. And yes, I would indeed preffer a miniority government between the Conservatives-UUP supported by the National Liberals than a weak, strong, miniority or majority government of Lib-Lab.
 

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I would preffer a strong Conservative government, i.e enough votes to let them get over 35%. And yes, I would indeed preffer a miniority government between the Conservatives-UUP supported by the National Liberals than a weak, strong, miniority or majority government of Lib-Lab.
Wait, so... Would You care to explain all this again? Why would a feminist support Tories?
 
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