The Westminster System - A British Interactive AAR

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Oh look, time for another drink
Can anyone actually make a great case for their party? I can't decide whether to vote for the Liberals or the National Liberals.

 

[Tufto]

If you vote NL, Communist ocelots will eat your children. True story.

 

[Contravarius]

((Ah I see. Thanks.))



Remember, the national liberals want to ban communism. And the Tories want a bigger military and interventionism. That is thing you would love.

Traitors, all of them.

Many kisses from Rhodesia,
Prince dom Contravarius

 

[LordTempest]

Oh look, time for another drink
Can anyone actually make a great case for their party? I can't decide whether to vote for the Liberals or the National Liberals.

God, I hate myself for asking this, but: Where do you stand on economic policy?

 

[ThaHoward]

And another propaganda poster!

Socialism is strangling freedom!

 

[LordTempest]

Traitors, all of them.

If you don't vote then you forfeit your right to complain until the next election.

 

[Tommy4ever]

Actually, all this talk of Nat Libs reminds me of something i was meant to ask you, Tommy: The Nat Lib Manifesto hints that there were some defections from the party to the Tories; did the Member for Dartford happen to be among them?

This is a tough call to make, I can see justifications for her remaining in the NLP (and being disgruntled with Thorneycroft's leadership) but also for her defected to the Tories. So I'm not entirely sure, although I suppose it is something I really need to decide soon! With the NLP's smaller pool of major politicians she would likely become a significant figure in the party much earlier than she did in the Tories.

 

[Enewald]

((You would love our current financial minister then. Her greatest inspirations are Ayn Rand and Thatcher. Unfortunately she is restrained by her own party and the Conservatives. And FYI, I despise Ayn Rand.))

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what the heck is wrong with Ayn Rand? I haven't read her books yet, they cannot be that bad?

 

[LordTempest]

This is a tough call to make, I can see justifications for her remaining in the NLP (and being disgruntled with Thorneycroft's leadership) but also for her defected to the Tories. So I'm not entirely sure, although I suppose it is something I really need to decide soon! With the NLP's smaller pool of major politicians she would likely become a significant figure in the party much earlier than she did in the Tories.

Thatcher wasn't exactly motivated by personal ambition. Hell, she never would have stood for the Tory leadership, let alone become Prime Minister if Powell and Joseph hadn't made two speeches in Birmingham.

 

[Enewald]

This is a tough call to make, I can see justifications for her remaining in the NLP (and being disgruntled with Thorneycroft's leadership) but also for her defected to the Tories. So I'm not entirely sure, although I suppose it is something I really need to decide soon! With the NLP's smaller pool of major politicians she would likely become a significant figure in the party much earlier than she did in the Tories.

How about if NLP and Tories lose in this election and cannot enter government, they shall hold talks about a merger in order to keep fighting the left better. Merge the parties, but allow factions to exist and to be voted for. It is around these times anyway that conservative parties start more opposing Keynesians and embrace free markets and smaller states (more or less...)
The tragedy is that while they Conservaties (Thatcher, Reagan) run in elections for policies that were supposed to limit the state, the state still grew ever greater under their reigns...
I'm open for a merger as long the Tories accept sensible old school Austrian policies.
And I might make compromises that will make me cry a bit, but whatever is necessary to combat the left must be done.

(this allows a more historical course, with Thatcher entering the big play)

 

[ThaHoward]

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what the heck is wrong with Ayn Rand? I haven't read her books yet, they cannot be that bad?

((Sit down and talk with objectivists and read her works. For example she supported the exploitation by Native Americans since they were "savages" and support intervention in the Arab world to make them democracies. Also she, and they, beleive they have found the objective truth by focusing on metaphysics and meanwhile saying that all religions are terrible for simply believing in something that is above them. Quite ironic. Also they believe only they are right, and everything who differ from Rand are horrible. And Ayn Rand and objectivists think that Libertarians are the greatest threat to civillization. Even worse than socialism - and for them socialism = evil. They have based their works on metaåhysics and have the subjective view that they know the objective truth.

And your swedish would fit well together with all those swedes ))

 

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God, I hate myself for asking this, but: Where do you stand on economic policy?

I seek a balance between the expansion social liberties and a free market. However, replacing all of the free market with central planning is not what I seek. Freedom is not based only in economy.
But on the other hand, the Liberals are too... passive regardings Northern Ireland and only seek active ties with Europe and the USA, while the National Liberals wish to form a world - wide barrier against the vile thing that is communism.

 

[LordTempest]

And I might make compromises that will make me cry a bit, but whatever is necessary to combat the left must be done.

Enewald offers to make a compromise on anything. (1 drink)
Enewald actually makes a serious compromise on a policy other than economics (2 drinks)
Enewald actually makes a serious compromise on economic policy (Toast, then CHUG!)

 

[ThaHoward]

I seek a balance between the expansion social liberties and a free market. However, replacing all of the free market with central planning is not what I seek. Freedom is not based only in economy.
But on the other hand, the Liberals are too... passive regardings Northern Ireland and only seek active ties with Europe and the USA, while the National Liberals wish to form a world - wide barrier against the vile thing that is communism.

The National Liberals are pretty much non-interventionistic. It is the Conservatives who want a vigilant force against communism.

And as far as I know the National Liberals aren't going to cut down on the welfare state. Only making a liberlaization of the market. If they need to cooperate with the Tories that will be even more true.

 

[LordTempest]

I seek a balance between the expansion social liberties and a free market. However, replacing all of the free market with central planning is not what I seek. Freedom is not based only in economy.
But on the other hand, the Liberals are too... passive regardings Northern Ireland and only seek active ties with Europe and the USA, while the National Liberals wish to form a world - wide barrier against the vile thing that is communism.

You should probably vote Liberal then, unless you value foreign policy more than economics in which case you should vote for the Monster Raving Finnish Cannibal Party in alliance with the Hayekian Free-Market Capitalist Circle-jerk Association. (HFCCA)

 

[ThaHoward]

You should probably vote Liberal then, unless you value foreign policy more than economics in which case you should vote for the Monster Raving Finnish Cannibal Party in alliance with the Hayekian Free-Market Capitalist Circle-jerk Association. (HFCCA)

The National Liberals are non interventionistic. The government even broke down due to the Conservative leadr interevening in the Suez.

 

[Tommy4ever]

How about if NLP and Tories lose in this election and cannot enter government, they shall hold talks about a merger in order to keep fighting the left better. Merge the parties, but allow factions to exist and to be voted for

This was broadly the position of the Unionist faction of the Nat Libs in the last election - that position was resoundingly defeated. The current National Liberal leadership is totally opposed to compromise and a merger. That is not to say that a future leadership might change that direction, but not as long as the "'crofties" are in control.

 

[LordTempest]

This was broadly the position of the Unionist faction of the Nat Libs in the last election - that position was resoundingly defeated. The current National Liberal leadership is totally opposed to compromise and a merger. That is not to say that a future leadership might change that direction, but not as long as the "'crofties" are in control.

Is this where we're supposed to point at those who voted separatist and say "Ha Ha!?" :huh:

 

[ThaHoward]

((But what are the status of the EEC? Are UK a part of it?))

 

[Enewald]

This was broadly the position of the Unionist faction of the Nat Libs in the last election - that position was resoundingly defeated. The current National Liberal leadership is totally opposed to compromise and a merger. That is not to say that a future leadership might change that direction, but not as long as the "'crofties" are in control.

Well, if we have now a leftist-liberal victory, that gives them a government which further increases the role of the state, even Thorneycraft might accept a compromise. Yes, I voted against a merger, but sometimes you have to a make a bad deal to avoid a even worse deal.
The question is, will Tories accept a more free market economic policies?