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I still believe quite fully that the Liberal Party has the best interests of Britain at heart.

If you loathe autocracy, whether from the left or right, you should vote the same way.
 
Scrapknight is completely correct: I vote Liberal.
 
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Where this falls down is on the underlying principles.

It assumes that 1) equality of opportunity exists, and 2) people are rewarded for actual hard work rather than natural gifts/ inherited wealth/ parents connections.

Given that we do not have an agreed measurement of hard work, and that British society very patently does not have equality of opportunity, your policies are only suited for a utopia we are no where near realising ;)

Vote Liberal!

1. It does. Whilst some are born into easier starts, people from poor families can still rise to the top. If you can satisfy the needs of the customers, they will purchase your good, whether you are a noble or a farmer. The only way to prevent equal chances is by government intervening in the markets, for example by banning some goods or giving a exclusive right to someone to have a monopoly over that good. Preventing equal chances requires repressive action by a party willing to use power to further its goals. The idea of a liberal state is to allow equal chances for everyone to prosper. You are free to think, free to move, free to write, free to innovate, free to trade, free to prosper.

2. You cannot prevent a father from giving his child a toy, and you cannot stop a old man giving his wealth to his successor, or away to charity. Natural gifts, such as someone being a good runner with long legs should be able to use those long legs, he can enter as many competitions and win as many awards as he wants, no one is there to prevent him from using his natural gifts. The same way someone can profit from modelling, yet others might not; unfair maybe, but such is life. You cannot make everyone equally ugly or pretty or long-legged.
People will be rewarded on the free market for the value they can create, no more or less. A man selling apples will earn what the customers are willing to buy the apples for, not more or less. Wages are formed from prices of the goods sold according to the laws of marginal rates. If the employers feel they are not paid enough, they can get another job that pays them better. No one forces them to work.
If you see the picture I used above, you can dig holes and fill them, is such thing actual hard work? Maybe, maybe not. You get paid for the value you create, not for simply looking busy.

Hard work does not exist as a concept in economic thought. You are paid according to what the market is willing to pay for you. The consumers choose the wages via prices in the end.
 
Hard work does not exist as a concept in economic thought. You are paid according to what the market is willing to pay for you. The consumers choose the wages via prices in the end.

Really? Interesting ... This must mean one thing!

This just in! Enewald, the Communistic Cult leader who already admits that rationality is fluid and irrational further admits hardwork doesn't exist. More on page 5...
 
Really? Interesting ... This must mean one thing!

This just in! Enewald, the Communistic Cult leader who already admits that rationality is fluid and irrational further admits hardwork doesn't exist. More on page 5...

Do you even read my posts?
Ever heard of marginal productivity, marginal cost or marginal utility?
 
Oh gods, do you understand that everything we do has a rationale behind it?
The brain won't mandate some action unless it at the moment of the action cannot rationalize the said action!
Different people have different rationales and our rationales change over time.
Our emotions rely on the rules of rationality that our brains imposes on us.
The whole concept of irrationality is a way to judge the actions of other people as ridiculous from THE POINT OF VIEW of someone else!
Rationality as such is very subjective.

The free market works if is a truly free market. It is just we have never achieved a truly free market so far as governments do their best to mess around with pretty much everything.

No, not every decision is rational. If you conclude that every action is a rational decision, than emotion is rational, therefore making rationality irrational. How can rationality be irrational? Please explain this to our readers, since would not our rationality be tempered not by our enlightened minds but by our base morals and emotions, which tell us what is right, what is wrong, and utterly undefinable as logical or reasonable, therefore logical?

And if rationals change over time, how can it be rational? One would never make a wrong decision rationally unless it is emotionally driven, therefore reducing it to an emotional and therefore an irrational decision.
 
Do you even read my posts?
Ever heard of marginal productivity, marginal cost or marginal utility?

Marginally, you believe that the market is entirely driven by the market, which itself is an invisible and indivisible creation of all the rational actors within the market. Your cultish Hayekism requires you to assume that all actors react individually, though that is obviously not the case due to common economic occurrences such as bubbles, crashes and failed investments.

Your beliefs require the market being driven by rational thought, it is not. You are only correct in the market working for the individual over other individual and in trying to maximise profit while minimising cost.
 
No, not every decision is rational. If you conclude that every action is a rational decision, than emotion is rational, therefore making rationality irrational. How can rationality be irrational? Please explain this to our readers, since would not our rationality be tempered not by our enlightened minds but by our base morals and emotions, which tell us what is right, what is wrong, and utterly undefinable as logical or reasonable, therefore logical?

And if rationals change over time, how can it be rational? One would never make a wrong decision rationally unless it is emotionally driven, therefore reducing it to an emotional and therefore an irrational decision.

THE CONCEPT OF IRRATIONALITY IS A LIE. :)

Yes, emotions are rational products of a rationally functioning brain. It is just that different people have different rationales.
Every action the brain takes, is at the moment of the brain choosing to complete the said action, is a rational action.

Every human is a rational being. And every human differs from every other human. We are all unique individuals with unique rationales, that lead to unique emotions and deeds.
Irrationality does not exist, it is merely an opinion. Just like 'silly' does not exist, it is just that you think something is silly from your point of view.
 
Marginally, you believe that the market is entirely driven by the market, which itself is an invisible and indivisible creation of all the rational actors within the market. Your cultish Hayekism requires you to assume that all actors react individually, though that is obviously not the case due to common economic occurrences such as bubbles, crashes and failed investments.

Your beliefs require the market being driven by rational thought, it is not. You are only correct in the market working for the individual over other individual and in trying to maximise profit while minimising cost.

But markets are driven by rationally behaving consumers and producers. Since you cannot grasp the concept of rationally behaving humans, you cannot understand the concept of markets and events that occur on the market.
 
THE CONCEPT OF IRRATIONALITY IS A LIE. :)

Yes, emotions are rational products of a rationally functioning brain. It is just that different people have different rationales.
Every action the brain takes, is at the moment of the brain choosing to complete the said action, is a rational action.

Every human is a rational being. And every human differs from every other human. We are all unique individuals with unique rationales, that lead to unique emotions and deeds.
Irrationality does not exist, it is merely an opinion. Just like 'silly' does not exist, it is just that you think something is silly from your point of view.

Therefore rationality is a lie.

One cannot be irrational and rational, and if you define rationality as including irrationality due to emotionally fired processes within our brain than rationality cannot exist since one can never be sure if a decision is rational or irrational, whether be made of emotion or by cold intellectual decision, or by a mix.

Unless you of course define rationality as simply the ability to make a decision. Than yes, every human is rational.
 
But markets are driven by rationally behaving consumers and producers. Since you cannot grasp the concept of rationally behaving humans, you cannot understand the concept of markets and events that occur on the market.

I don't think we use the same definition of rationality. Not even the same sport, let alone ball park.
 
(Enewald and Tanzhang need to start being nice to one another, but their debate before it became mudslinging was great!)

National Liberal Party (Separatist)
 
One cannot be irrational and rational, and if you define rationality as including irrationality due to emotionally fired processes within our brain than rationality cannot exist since one can never be sure if a decision is rational or irrational, whether be made of emotion or by cold intellectual decision, or by a mix.

Unless you of course define rationality as simply the ability to make a decision. Than yes, every human is rational.

AND NOW YOU GET IT.

Yes! We call irrational what we cannot ourselves rationalize.
 
1. It does. Whilst some are born into easier starts, people from poor families can still rise to the top. If you can satisfy the needs of the customers, they will purchase your good, whether you are a noble or a farmer. The only way to prevent equal chances is by government intervening in the markets, for example by banning some goods or giving a exclusive right to someone to have a monopoly over that good. Preventing equal chances requires repressive action by a party willing to use power to further its goals. The idea of a liberal state is to allow equal chances for everyone to prosper. You are free to think, free to move, free to write, free to innovate, free to trade, free to prosper.

2. You cannot prevent a father from giving his child a toy, and you cannot stop a old man giving his wealth to his successor, or away to charity. Natural gifts, such as someone being a good runner with long legs should be able to use those long legs, he can enter as many competitions and win as many awards as he wants, no one is there to prevent him from using his natural gifts. The same way someone can profit from modelling, yet others might not; unfair maybe, but such is life. You cannot make everyone equally ugly or pretty or long-legged.
People will be rewarded on the free market for the value they can create, no more or less. A man selling apples will earn what the customers are willing to buy the apples for, not more or less. Wages are formed from prices of the goods sold according to the laws of marginal rates. If the employers feel they are not paid enough, they can get another job that pays them better. No one forces them to work.
If you see the picture I used above, you can dig holes and fill them, is such thing actual hard work? Maybe, maybe not. You get paid for the value you create, not for simply looking busy.

Hard work does not exist as a concept in economic thought. You are paid according to what the market is willing to pay for you. The consumers choose the wages via prices in the end.

This takes an incredibly simplistic view of the forces that impact the market. When people in our country are born into privilidge, they enjoy far grater life outcomes. Just because we can point to one or two exceptions does not mean that everyone gets an equal chance. Of course, a person will disperse their property and influence for the benefit of their children - and this is precisely why we need the government to get involved I'm the market.

We have to ensure that those who start life with such a huge disadvantage compared to others are not left behind, we have to ensure that those with market knowledge do not stitch things up and that there is a possibility of true competition through which everyone can benefit.

In a deregulated state, those who already enjoy a disproportionate amount of power will be unhindered in their ability to extract value from those born into desperation - our country has moved on from this feudal mind set.

While if someone is born with a natural ability they ought to be able to put it to use, we cannot simply do miss the majority with a callous quip 'that's life'. We must maintain a safety net which ensures that everyone can expect a decent standard of living, and that those who are lucky enough to be born with the skills and contacts to forge ahead are limited in how far ahead they can get. Ome and progress must be at the expense of another - that is what your market forces are, and so we have to ensure that this ability to succeed at the expense of others is limited. The limits we place on this are the measure of our regard for human decency, sir!
 
AND NOW YOU GET IT.

Yes! We call irrational what we cannot ourselves rationalize.

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I'm not quite sure that is rationality. I think that is simply decision making.

Rationality is the ability to make decisions unhindered by emotion and powered solely by reason and logic.
 
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