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((That's even better, I love these ahistorical little (or big, I guess, in this case) things. It would be terribly interesting if Beria, Malenkov or someone else(Molotov? What would he be like? Continuation of stalinism, I guess) reigned supreme and not the Ukrainian Corn Farmer. The Abhazian Himmler would probably be the worst case scenario for us.))
Oh, I want Beria to win for the lulz, and also I predict a state capitalism with an iron political grip rule. I don't know if he'll be open to dialogue with the West.

RIP to the most honorable British man of the 20th Century, Winston Churchill. May God Watch Over Your Soul.

I'm glad the Conservatives are in government, fighting unions and cutting back on the socialist welfare state. For the free market! For Britain!
>Conservative Party
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The liberals cannot work with the radical trash that has taken over the Labour Party. I am glad that we have gotten that godforsaken party out of government and turned to a party that has proven itself to be able to handle the international and internal issues that plague Britain. If the Labour Party can get its act together and turn back toward moderation then maybe another Lib-Lab coalition can occur but until then we shall stay with the Tories.
 

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The liberals cannot work with the radical trash that has taken over the Labour Party. I am glad that we have gotten that godforsaken party out of government and turned to a party that has proven itself to be able to handle the international and internal issues that plague Britain. If the Labour Party can get its act together and turn back toward moderation then maybe another Lib-Lab coalition can occur but until then we shall stay with the Tories.

A controversial view, I'm sure. One wonders what the Rt. Honourable Member for Norfolk will have to say about that.
 

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A controversial view, I'm sure. One wonders what the Rt. Honourable Member for Norfolk will have to say about that.

I don't know what Norfolk would say, but I know what Cambridge does! :laugh:
 

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A controversial view, I'm sure. One wonders what the Rt. Honourable Member for Norfolk will have to say about that.

I am not of the opinion that we should alienate a Labour party who have been good supporters of ours for the last nine years. Neither am I of the opinion that it would be wise to cuddle up to a Tory party who, essentially, stand for all that we oppose in the name of furthering our own interests. If anything, we want to ensure that a Bevanite Labour does not become too radicalised and act as a counterweight by creating closer ties with he party.
 

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I am not of the opinion that we should alienate a Labour party who have been good supporters of ours for the last nine years. Neither am I of the opinion that it would be wise to cuddle up to a Tory party who, essentially, stand for all that we oppose in the name of furthering our own interests. If anything, we want to ensure that a Bevanite Labour does not become too radicalised and act as a counterweight by creating closer ties with he party.

The policies of Labor Socialism better fit the economic standard of the Liberal party in contrast to the Tory policies?
 

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Might as well rename the Liberal Party. It seems economic Liberalism has finally drowned.

If you're talking about Classical Liberal economics, then you will realise that that is the purview of the National Liberals. We favour a mixed economy, which is, in my view, no less Liberal – only different. I really don't want to drag this argument up again as it bores and frustrates the hell out of me, but there is more to Liberalism than one very specific economic philosophy.
 

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If you're talking about Classical Liberal economics, then you will realise that that is the purview of the National Liberals. We favour a mixed economy, which is, in my view, no less Liberal – only different. I really don't want to drag this argument up again as it bores and frustrates the hell out of me, but there is more to Liberalism than one very specific economic philosophy.

Nah. Liberalism is just one thing. ;)
 

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I don't go around insulting your poltical views... :p

Because my political views are a mystery. I bury the truth under a mountain of absurdity.
 

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Perhaps we would be better served in refusing to work with either side then. If the Labour Party cannot become more moderate and the Conservatives and Nat Libs move back to the right would it not be best for Britain if the Liberal Party refused to work with either side? It would force either side to either move back to the center or risk an unstable minority government.
 

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Blah. What's the point of politics if I can't ruthlessly insult your ideology? :)

By all means, construct a reasoned argument against individual policies (just not economics. For the love of all that's holy, anything but economics). That I have no problem with, but just saying "Liberalism is rubbish" or similar is neither reasoned nor an argument. ;)
 

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Perhaps we would be better served in refusing to work with either side then. If the Labour Party cannot become more moderate and the Conservatives and Nat Libs move back to the right would it not be best for Britain if the Liberal Party refused to work with either side? It would force either side to either move back to the center or risk an unstable minority government.

But wouldn't that be unnecessarily stubborn? Especially from a party who claims to espouse progress, such measures seem to me like meaningless, hypocritical obstructionism.
 

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I believe the cruel conclusion we have arrived at, is Social Liberalism.
 

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But wouldn't that be unnecessarily stubborn? Especially from a party who claims to espouse progress, such measures seem to me like meaningless, hypocritical obstructionism.

I would prefer that to working with radical parties on both sides. We cannot sell ourselves off to extremists on both sides and hope that our influence is enough to moderate them. We must stand firm if we are to continue to be taken seriously as a third party or else we will renegade from our principles and fade away into nothingness.
 

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