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Hush now. Better was the Onion choosing Kim Jong-un as sexiest man alive that the Chinese media quickly accepted as true news. :D

As for the update; good that the leftist government crumbled; bad that Liberals stopped us from actually getting anything really useful done...

Fuck the poor I guess.
 

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well I can't let this stand...

The Labour government has promoted gluttony in our workforce and have wasted millions of on government programs. The free market is the way to go. The Conservative Party is the bright future Britain needs.
 
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The Labour government has promoted gluttony in our workforce and have wasted millions of on government programs. The free market is the way to go. The Conservative Party is the bright future Britain needs.

I don't mean to be rude but thats horse hockey I can't in good conscience let titans of industry have it all forever.

Gluttony in our workforce! I guess if their not fighting for scraps and near starving than they resting on their laurels!
 

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Excellent update! I must say I am quite pleased, in general, with both governments' actions. It goes to show that honest Liberalism and moderation are the best way forward for Britain.

My congratulations to the Koreans on stopping the madness of Kim Il-sung, as well. This only proves that Britain still has a place in the world.
 

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Last post for a bit but I'm getting involved in british politics to stop to the hayek train.

Can't stop this train! *choo choo*

The forces of rationality are gaining mass and speed, step aside or don't cry if the train rider over you. :laugh:
...eventually the train accelerates to light speed and becomes energy...
 

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I'm glad the Conservatives are in government, fighting unions and cutting back on the socialist welfare state. For the free market! For Britain!

Seriously, you think Eden will be doing that? The man is no Right-wing demagogue a'la Churchill; thank God.
 

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Seriously, you think Eden will be doing that? The man is no Right-wing demagogue a'la Churchill; thank God.
Hey, there's an interesting question: Was there this kind of active and capable Right-wing demagogue, who could have been a successor to Churchill?
Also, I just want to say, I too agree with this "f*ck the poor"-notion that's taking some parts of the Conservative Party by storm. Big surprise there.
 

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Hey, there's an interesting question: Was there this kind of active and capable Right-wing demagogue, who could have been a successor to Churchill?
Also, I just want to say, I too agree with this "f*ck the poor"-notion that's taking some parts of the Conservative Party by storm. Big surprise there.

Realistically, there was only one successor to Churchill, and everybody both in and outside the Tory Party knew who he was. ;)

There were certainly people within the Tory Party around this time who questioned the Butskellite One Nation consensus, (at least three including Lord Thorneycroft and two of his junior ministers, one of whom we will be hearing a lot more about in the future methinks ;)) but none of them were really considered serious leadership potential until the late sixties.
 

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RIP to the most honorable British man of the 20th Century, Winston Churchill. May God Watch Over Your Soul.

I'm glad the Conservatives are in government, fighting unions and cutting back on the socialist welfare state. For the free market! For Britain!

The Conservatives are not for a free market, they even went from their more free market orientated policies to social liberal ones.

However unions are a vital part of the free market. Everyone have the right to organize themselves. That is what the free market it based upon; spontanous order and organization. We can't interfere in the unions in any way! That is the problem with the labor and communist party. They want to give the unions powers they don't have i.e by dicating the regulations. But unions in itself are not evil and is something great as it represent the workers.
 

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However unions are a vital part of the free market. Everyone have the right to organize themselves. That is what the free market it based upon; spontanous order and organization. We can't interfere in the unions in any way! That is the problem with the labor and communist party. They want to give the unions powers they don't have i.e by dicating the regulations. But unions in itself are not evil and is something great as it represent the workers.

I shall remember this comment and remind you of it endlessly once leftist infiltration of the TUC leads to the Winter of Discontent. :D
 

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I shall remember this comment and remind you of it endlessly once leftist infiltration of the TUC leads to the Winter of Discontent. :D

Saw what I said? I said that organizational freedom are important. However the government shall have no say in the unions, and the unions shall have no say in the government. That is the unions can't force upon laws that will only benefit them (and in turn make it worse for lesser unions) or give them special priveliges. They are allowed to exist and so on, but if they decide to strike they can't lobby the government to then make it illegal to work during the strike. Other workers can work if they want to and the company can hire other workers. They can't set up barriers and so on and lobby the government to increase the minimum wage.
 

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Saw what I said? I said that organizational freedom are important. However the government shall have no say in the unions, and the unions shall have no say in the government. That is the unions can't force upon laws that will only benefit them (and in turn make it worse for lesser unions) or give them special priveliges. They are allowed to exist and so on, but if they decide to strike they can't lobby the government to then make it illegal to work during the strike. Other workers can work if they want to and the company can hire other workers. They can't set up barriers and so on and lobby the government to increase the minimum wage.

I'm not sure you understand how Trade Unions work? All that would do is deprive the Labour Party of a serious chunk of its funding and maybe help save it from tearing itself apart in the late 70's and 80's - it wouldn't actually do anything to prevent the industrial disharmony which in OTL wreaked havoc during the 60's and 70's and well into the 80's as well.
 

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Saw what I said? I said that organizational freedom are important. However the government shall have no say in the unions, and the unions shall have no say in the government. That is the unions can't force upon laws that will only benefit them (and in turn make it worse for lesser unions) or give them special priveliges. They are allowed to exist and so on, but if they decide to strike they can't lobby the government to then make it illegal to work during the strike. Other workers can work if they want to and the company can hire other workers. They can't set up barriers and so on and lobby the government to increase the minimum wage.

I'm not sure you quite understand what My Right Honourable Friend the Member for Devonport was saying, but, even so, there really is no need to defend yourself from every witty quip made in Parliament. ;)
 

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I'm not sure you understand how Trade Unions work? All that would do is deprive the Labour Party of a serious chunk of its funding and maybe help save it from tearing itself apart in the late 70's and 80's - it wouldn't actually do anything to prevent the industrial disharmony which in OTL wreaked havoc during the 60's and 70's and well into the 80's as well.

How can you look into the future like this? :eek: But yes I do support unions, as long as they don't interefere in legasletive matters and the other way around.

And depriving the Labor party of funding, I got no issues with that :D
 

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How can you look into the future like this? :eek: But yes I do support unions, as long as they don't interefere in legasletive matters and the other way around.

And depriving the Labor party of funding, I got no issues with that :D

I speak mostly OOC outside of election campaigns. :)

The Unions interfered little with legislative matters in our timeline, and rarely directly, but were nevertheless able to bring no fewer than three governments down merely through industrial action. So unless you're prepared to outlaw striking that will have no effect whatsoever. Hell, based on what I read from your statement, you'd be fine with secondary picketting - which would certainly make any potential industrial matters far worse then they'd need to be.
 

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What she is trying to say is that people have the right to form groups, but not force their agenda down on others.
The said group cannot prevent other group from working.
Also if they want to strike, the employers have all rights to hire new people to work.
Those all are concepts of freedom.

The state should not give in to special pressure groups.
 
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