Keeper of the Converters
- Feb 27, 2009
What a horrid position to be in, a terrible thing to feel the need to do.
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Alas, he would have benefited more from Uncle Bedford, but that train has left the station.the various factions that had arisen between his uncles, Beaufort and Gloucester
A big caveat“As long as I have breath in my body, my son, I shall always do so.”
These lordly street gangs are reminiscent of the equivalent gangs prevalent in Rome at the time of Caesar and the fall of the Republic.surrounded by men of his affinity
I love this word. Coincidentally I have started using it in my CK2 AAR, in the context of a Russian Viking war with East Francia.we went on chevauchée throughout the countryside
Kinslaying is always bad for the soul in these stories.Without turning, Edmund Beaufort stopped short in his steps and replied, “Quite. And I shall hate you for it forever.”
That is very likely!Damn that Suffolk!
Oh, he wants it. But the hurdles to jump are...painful.Somerset seems like a complicated character.
He seems to have been given a fate he doesn't want...
Which one? John Beaufort to feel the need to end it, or his brother Edmund to feel the need to help it along? The death happened historically. How? I've taken some liberties.What a horrid position to be in, a terrible thing to feel the need to do.
Heh! Lordly street gangs. Not a bad way of describing them, indeed. As above, I took a liberty in how to portray what really happened. But these were all men of amazing ambition. What they might stoop to can only be imagined. As for Suffolk...well, read on.Alas, he would have benefited more from Uncle Bedford, but that train has left the station.
A big caveat
These lordly street gangs are reminiscent of the equivalent gangs prevalent in Rome at the time of Caesar and the fall of the Republic.
I love this word. Coincidentally I have started using it in my CK2 AAR, in the context of a Russian Viking war with East Francia.
Kinslaying is always bad for the soul in these stories.
That is very likely!
Thanks for jumping on board! I hope you'll enjoy!Oh, fun! I can't wait to see how this goes.
And a thorough diplomatic rogering by said French king.A years worth of diplomacy had yielded a momentary peace and further, a bride for the English King Henry VI.
Exhibit 1.“…Maine and Anjou.”
“Christ’s Keys!” She turned away from him at first and took a step towards the window before swinging back upon him, “You will be hung from every gate in London, my husband!”
Oh dear. Nothing will be well for a long time, methinks.“As long as she provides the balance we require and does not forget her place, all will be well,”
John's position was indeed poor. It was rumored at the time that he may have committed suicide. I decided to play it up for more character building for both of the brothers, but in RL nothing like that likely happened at all.I had been thinking of Edmund, but John's position as you've presented it is pretty horrid as well.
Maine and Anjou certainly became a sticking point as this all begins, with Suffolk getting most of the blame but Margaret getting plenty of her own. I decided to present her like this the first time because she is an unknown (or would have been at the time) but quickly becomes quite well known. All of the major players are entering the scene.And a thorough diplomatic rogering by said French king.
Oh dear. Nothing will be well for a long time, methinks.
Excellent and thanks! I'll be quite interested on your take as we move forward. This really is one of my favorite points in history regardless of all the bloodletting involved.I'll have to catch up over the next few days, but just to reiterate as mentioned in the Creek thread that it is great to see you back and writing, coz, and I look forward to enjoying your work in real time for once!
Nothing, really, and certainly no lasting peace. A weak king bargaining (via Suffolk) from a weak position, in desperation, against a far more ruthless opponent determined to exploit it.“They demand Maine and Anjou, I have been informed and this is far too great a price. For what have they done to gain it?”
Fateful moment #1.At this, Henry turned his face from his Uncle never to turn it back. Not today or ever.
Disastrous appointment #1 (In OTL anyway).I should think the Earl of Somerset the man for the job.
Oh dear.I do feel that Edmund has just the right spirit, Your Grace
The Earl of Suffolk stood, pretending to be slightly shocked at the charge, “You do not imagine to bring him to justice, my Lord Bishop? To accuse a man of his caliber…”
Fateful moment #2, again with far-reaching implications.“You may call York home, my Lord.”
Or so they think. Knocked down but not out, and making them more implacable.Two foes vanquished in one afternoon. Not bad for a day’s work.
The usual price in that period became to have one’s head hacked off and shoved on a pole or nailed above a gate.There can be no mistake that Suffolk sold us poorly at the Treaty of Tours. He has betrayed the country and shall pay for it, should I have words to say about it.
It will be the perennial Evil Councillors.He will not protect you. We are in a time of choosing, and it is sad to me that it will not be his choice.
That slight hesitation in the reply. Circumstances will no doubt come that a ’yet’ should be added.“I have no want for the crown,” Humphrey spun on him with a serious face, “Do you?”
“I...do not,” Richard answered with question.
The worms are burrowing all through the bud by now. The rottenness is spreading from within while France seeks to exploit it from without.I have you here to show you your true place. I am the son of a King. Brother to a King. Uncle to a King at the now. And what is all of that? No thing.
Just about set. I have one more piece before we start chapter 2 and the real fun starts.The Wars of the Roses will come soon. The stage is set.
Dissent reigns everywhere, and the peace is hated.
Excellent points all. I hope I've done justice to the puzzle pieces that kick the thing off good and proper. I've taken a few artistic liberties but the motivations hopefully remain (if not perhaps strengthened a bit.)On Westminster 1445:
Nothing, really, and certainly no lasting peace. A weak king bargaining (via Suffolk) from a weak position, in desperation, against a far more ruthless opponent determined to exploit it.
Fateful moment #1.
Disastrous appointment #1 (In OTL anyway).
Fateful moment #2, again with far-reaching implications.
Or so they think. Knocked down but not out, and making them more implacable.
On Greenwich 1446:
The usual price in that period became to have one’s head hacked off and shoved on a pole or nailed above a gate.
It will be the perennial Evil Councillors.
That slight hesitation in the reply. Circumstances will no doubt come that a ’yet’ should be added.
The worms are burrowing all through the bud by now. The rottenness is spreading from within while France seeks to exploit it from without.
Poor young Joan. Abandoned to her enemies. Hard done by her own, but probably an inevitable fate.I saw the witch of France burned for the glory of God Almighty!
And a difficult birth for a no doubt troubled one.It was the end of an era. And the birth of a new one.
The Cardinal had a full life, to be sure. He did witness a lot.Poor young Joan. Abandoned to her enemies. Hard done by her own, but probably an inevitable fate.
And a difficult birth for a no doubt troubled one.
As I've studied the history, it always strikes me that Cardinal Beaufort dies barely a month after Duke Humphrey. Two bitter foes as they lived. And both exit the scene around the same time to allow new players to act. Part of my fascination of this story.The Cardinal believes he won.
Time will show how true that is.
Very logical and in keeping with the narrative intent - a sensible little mini mod.The practical result of my changes allows me some few more years before the event fires and I think the modification worth it so I can write the story I want to tell.
A few good runs and the match fitness returns very quickly for the veteran player. I’m sure the literary touch downs will be coming thick and fast!while my writing muscles are weakened, they remain strong enough