The Vichy thing

[Akaki]

I never saw the Vichy chain of events to go as planned. Events stops around "french somaliland joins". No other ones, leading to occupation of Vichy by Germany. Why's that? How to fix it? Is it because that one inaccesible british province in Egypt that remains Italian-occupied? Any ideas? I'm sick of planning the game the way Vichy won't matter...

 

[newtype0083]

I've noticed similar results. Even when the US goes to war with Germany, it rarely decides to attack Vichy, w/ or w/o the the event decision. More than a bit annoying to see Vichy survive the end of the 3rd Reich. But this is pretty much par for the course when it comes to the end of the war, since HoI2 does a poor job of rearranging the map (or allowing the player to do so apart from game editing).

 

[Leon_Corona]

I have seen it before. Just not lately, or with mods since in mod33 germany usually annexes vichy. -Leon

 

[dertechie]

The Vichy events seem to have a lot of chance in them, more than any other common set. Most events go a certain way 80+ percent of the time, usually 90% or better to go a certain way. Vichy's response to Operation Torch goes 50-50 IIRC.

On the other hand, in my last two games I've had Vichy France events go all the way. First time, they actually joined me (much to my surprise), the second time they let the US land and I annexed them via event.

 

[thevaliant]

(Warning - I play SMEP modified)

I've never seen French WEST Africa join. There is an event, but it is poor. I modified my events file a while back. I think some of the trigger conditions are basically unmeetable (eg - Vichy not at war with anyone, but French North Africa must be allied occupied - How?).

The end of Vichy usually works for me, but that is because SMEP does alter them to get rid of Vichy properly. May be worth a look?

 

[finyou2]

	trigger = {
		atwar = no
		exists = FRA
		NOT = {
			exists = BEN
			exists = MAL
			control = { province = 958 data = VIC } #Casablanca
			control = { province = 950 data = VIC } #Oran
			control = { province = 946 data = VIC } #Algiers
			control = { province = 958 data = GER } #Casablanca
			control = { province = 950 data = GER } #Oran
			control = { province = 946 data = GER } #Algiers
			control = { province = 950 data = ITA } #Oran
			control = { province = 946 data = ITA } #Algiers
			control = { province = 939 data = ITA } #Tunis
			}
		random = 30
		}

There must be Operation Torch, otherwise West Africa event won't fire. Italy taking command of North Africa requires French West Africa defects event.

 

[Akaki]

So, one have to DOW Vichy, conquer Morocco and then the event will fire? Did it once, GB took all of africa and still nothing happened...

 

[finyou2]

So, one have to DOW Vichy, conquer Morocco and then the event will fire? Did it once, GB took all of africa and still nothing happened...

Or wait for Torch. It is still random and may not fire...
And Vichy mustn't be at war

 

[BlueWarrior]

Don't forget that for the Torch event for fire the USA must be at war with both Germany and Italy and have an army of 120 units and 12 transports (values taken from vanialla Arma 1.3B2)

 

[alufdufe]

I've had Vichy join the Axis, then Germany gives all of France to Vichy, and pulls all its divisions east of the Rhine. So in 1944 there are 8 Vichy div and no Germans in all of France. How does that happen?

 

[BlueWarrior]

I've had Vichy join the Axis, then Germany gives all of France to Vichy, and pulls all its divisions east of the Rhine. So in 1944 there are 8 Vichy div and no Germans in all of France. How does that happen?

In one of the event chains Vichy can reject Operation Torch (I think) and join the Axis. I guess that the rest of France was core territory for Vichy which Germany gave back to them and as there was no "German" territory to defend they redeployed their units accordingly.

 

[Akaki]

But Vichy got cores on the rest of France only in 1941 scenario...

If I trigger the Torch event manually the rest of chain will follow? Which event is it?

 

[finyou2]

But Vichy got cores on the rest of France only in 1941 scenario...

If I trigger the Torch event manually the rest of chain will follow? Which event is it?

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