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The Soviet beast discussed was a formidable monster. 122mm gun? WTF over? :wacko:

The Soviets didn't have sufficient time or resources to produce a good high-velocity gun in the manner of the long 88 or the 17 pounder used on the Sherman Firefly, so they compromised with a large caliber long-barrelled cannon. The D-25T 122mm gun used on late-model Soviet heavy tanks was sufficient to kill German tanks from any angle from ranges up to 500m--against any tank which wasn't a King Tiger, they could kill from much farther out.

We don’t use that size today (okay, the Russians do but their stuff sucks :rolleyes: ).

Incorrect, but we won't get into that here.

Smart move until you consider the driver had to remove/ install the periscope every time he opened/ closed the hatch.

It was (correctly) reasoned that this would never be a serious problem in practice.

However, the tank is/was famous for breaking down. Even after every single upgrade made, it was known to break down. Usually when needed the most. No single one was ever proven in combat during WW2.
Some will argue this but I go by the info acquired from the Soviet military and nowhere else.

The IS-3 did indeed have problems with mechanical breakdowns but later developments on the model were superior. The Soviet heavy tanks Lindbergh's army of liberation would most likely be facing (in the late 40s)would be the IS-7 and T-10, which were quite reliable and superior to any tank which saw service in WWII. To give an idea of the T-10's service life, it was produced and exported in various forms until 1966 and was only officially removed from Russian service in 1993.

28 rounds were carried for the main gun. 28? 18 for anti-personnel use and 10 for anti-tank.

This is the same capacity as in the earlier model IS-2, which saw plenty of active service and few problems with the ammunition loadout were reported.

The engine was unreliable as was the gearbox. The hull, having been welded had many breakdowns (welds cracking while under stress).

These all apply mainly to the IS-3, considering the nature of what is occurring in the game I would think that these problems would be ironed out after testing in China, and anyway the tank probably in service is later model than the IS-3.

Since we're in 1949 my best guess is that the Russian tank that is most likely at the frontlines in Europe and Asia is the T-10 "breakthrough tank," a quite reliable vehicle. Depending on how advanced the Soviets are in tech, they might even have T-54s, which are grossly superior to the M-26 Pershing and would simply massacre them.

Last but not least, the crew compartment was very tight. This relates to crew fatigue.

Poorly designed crew space is a common problem in WWII and postwar Soviet tanks.

The M-26 AFTER it’s first upgrade to a bigger engine was excellent for it’s purpose. It could out maneuver it’s Soviet counterpart. It was also faster. The M-26 was built for a defensive role yet when COMBAT PROVEN, it helped the infantry in securing a vital bridge defended by the Germans.

That engagement is hardly a good test case for how the Pershing would perform in tank-vs-tank combat.

The tank also has an excellent battle record in Korea.

Against T-34/85s crewed by poorly-trained North Korean and Chinese troops, hardly an unqualified recommendation.

The Soviet tank unless CAPTURED and RE-FITTED with the enemy’s equipment had a much more dismal failure in combat.

No Soviet heavy tanks served in Korea, only el cheapo obsolescent vehicles crewed by conscripts, mainly T-34/85s.

That, to me, is the deciding factor. They both sucked but in their time they were both the best we each had for it’s role. I’d have to say, in open country, the Soviets would win but in a closer combat situation, the M-26 would win.

I would agree with that assessment. Against heavily armored postwar model Soviet tanks like the T-10 the Pershing would have serious problems scoring kills at any sort of range. But closer in where it's 90mm could still penetrate reliably, it maneuvers more quickly, has faster turret traverse, and a better-designed gunsight to acquire targets more quickly.

Unless of course the Russkies have raced up the tech tree to the T-54/55s, in which case the Pershing ought to get the crap beaten out of it at all ranges.
 

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Well, I must say that was a great update.
 

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June 1949: Co nam obca przemoc wzieła

Despite the tension surrounding the resignation of Osóbka-Morawski and the disputed election of Gomulka and his Polish Socialist Party (PSP), there was a time of wary acceptance during the high summer, in which protests were muted and no direct opposition emerged. Although prominent Poles such as Sikorski and Bor-Komorowski had refused to acknowledge the election results, it seemed that the presence of Czech armor in Galicia, as well as German and Soviet divisions on the border, had ensured a stable transition after all. Indeed, the relative calm was enough for the Soviet government to politely inform Britain and France that ”no Polish problem exists”, and that there was subsequently no need for an Inter-Powers conference.

Some keen observers, however, noted that although Gomulka was somewhat reserved in his application of communism to Poland, behind him was Boleslaw Bierut, his deputy in all but name and head of the Polish Worker’s Party (PWP), and behind him, Moscow. In late June, the new government decreed that all German lands and properties would be confiscated, primarily in those regions in Danzig and East Prussia which Poland acquired as a result of the Orleans Conference in 1945. Although few of opposition protested the anti-German move, it set an ominous precedent . Worse for the opposition, however, was Gomulka’s decision to unite the PSP and the PWP into the Polish United Workers Party (PUWP), a move which established the communists as the dominant influence in the new government and which essentially sidelined the more moderate parties. Gomulka’s decision to establish war trials, which included the trial of some with links to the Home Army (Armia Krajowa – AK), was also criticized by a brave few who saw it as a precursor of open moves against Bor-Komorowski and the AK. For the moment, however, Poland remained in nervous stasis, though in villages and city boroughs throughout the country, secret meetings were being held and old stashes of arms were being unearthed.

In the United States, however, Poland did not register greatly on the government radar. Humphrey’s successful filibuster of the administration’s latest worker legislation had slowed progress in Congress and had seemingly dissuaded the Nationals from attempting any of the other rumored legislation that was pending. Many eyes were on Senator McCarthy who, after years of successfully holding himself up as the country’s leading anti-Communist crusader, showed no signs of slowing in 1949. He expressed intentions of reviving the hearings for cultural figures, including prominent writers who had yet to be called to testifyand more notably, actors, directors, and producers from Hollywood. ”The film industry, almost as much or even more so than our literature, is under siege from the left,” Congressman Nixon stated on the 14th. The Philby expulsion was also high in American news, as prominent Nationals continued to call for Britain to investigate its own government apparatus as thoroughly as its new ally had done. Senator McCarthy was seen to remark that ”Parliamentary hearings would do them a world of good.” Though politely dismissed in the British press, the Philby issue remained defiant and was increasingly cited by the Conservatives railing against Attlee. Only in late June would the Prime Minister consent to a thorough investigation of the SIS representative and any alleged associates.

The government however, was also involved in matters diplomatic and military. Secretary Dulles continued to draft the Second Protocols of OTO, running into disputes with Britain and France over inclusion of Poland in the text, something which the Pan-American countries were nervous about. At the Pentagon, Chief of Staff MacArthur held the first in a series of strategy meetings with the JCS, LeMay, Denfield, and Clark beginning on the 21st. Aside from discussions over the latest upgrades in the Navy, there was a brief discussion over the termination of the F-91 Thunderceptor program, and the focus of jet power over rocket fighters. LeMay also expressed pessimism over Clark’s proposal for an Airborne Corps of potentially five to ten divisions, utilizing the new C-97 Globemasters for long-range operations. Airpower alone, said the Air Force chief, would end the war. ”The airborne would only get in the way,” he famously remarked. Deferring this issue, MacArthur did back Clark in opposing the scaling back of the B-45 Tornado program, over LeMay’s objections that tactical bombing would be minimized in future wars of strategic scale. However, on the M-46 program, MacArthur agreed to delay production for a year to free up enough funds for the P-80 fighter, adding that the Army had a perfectly good tank in the M-26, and resources had to be applied to those areas most in need. The Air Force, which languished with the old P-51 prop fighters as well as some squadrons of P-59s, was insistent on moving into the jet age. Aside from discussions of research, the JCS planned to discuss war plans in coming meetings.

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The JCS discussed many military programs, including the F-91, P-80, and the M-46

It was the Soviet war plans, however, that were being implemented in China, as Zhukov’s armored offensive came nearer and nearer to the Yangtze River. This was considered to be the key strategic focus of the entire campaign, the schwerpunkt. Shanghai, at the river’s mouth, was Japan’s largest base in China and allowed the rapid shipment of reinforcements and supplies. Nanking, upriver, was the Kiri capital, and its fall would cause the legitimacy of China to be in dispute. Both sides knew of its value, and both sides threw increasing amounts of troops into the fray. The first American observers who were permitted into the field described the fighting as ”bitter and apocalyptic”. Witnessing a Soviet armored attack on entrenched Chinese forces, one observer, a veteran of the trenches at Hermosillo, commented that, ”hell hath no comparison to such as this”.

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Throughout June, the Soviets launched repeated attacks towards the two key cities, thrown back successively as each side suffered grievous losses. The rest of the Asian theater seemed far away. A Japanese attack in Korea was thrown back. Indian forces reached the outskirts of the Sinkiang capital, and Chinese troops penetrated Mongolia itself. Yet none of it seemed to mattered when compared to the massive fighting along the Yangtze, where the decision was expected.

Note: The chapter title is taken from the Polish national anthem, meaning ‘what the foe by force has seized’.
 
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Hmm. I'm very surpriseds by how well the Japs and their allies are doing. But I suspect they're running low on troops.

How's the manpower of the various countries?
 

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While I really like LeMay, I know that his thoughts on airpower being the one and only thing that will win any war are way off base, and hope that he doesn't set the U.S. up for a major loss!

I'm thinking that the stress level in Europe is about to go several notches as things in Poland start to get even more.... interesting.
 
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What's happening in Communist Germany and the rest of occupied Europe? All we seem to hear about are the Poles and Gomulka... :D
 

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Vincent Julien said:
What's happening in Communist Germany and the rest of occupied Europe? All we seem to hear about are the Poles and Gomulka... :D

Everybody is happy, everybody has a car, a job and plenty of food. More and more loyal communists join the party every day. The goals of the five-year plan are being exceeded by 20%. Voluntary anti-USA demonstrations are being held daily by workers.
 

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"Life has become better, life has become merrier."

Joseph Stalin, during the collectivization


Seriously though, I'm a bit suprised that such important foundations of USSR as nationalization and collectivization were not started in Western Europe. Or if they were implemented - where is the reaction of the world?
 

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Absolutely a fantastic AAR!!

Most impressive!
 

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July – September 1949: The Polish Crisis and Uprising

Historians generally agree that the Polish Crisis, beginning in mid-July, caught all observers off-guard. Neither the Vienna Pact nor the OTO countries anticipated the rapid destabilization of Poland that emerged with the arrest of Osóbka-Morawski on July 6th, followed three days later by the assassination of Wladyslaw Sikorski in Poznan. Whether organized conspiracy against moderate Polish nationalists, as some claim, or the coinciding of two bitter events, all trust between the moderate socialist and democratic parties, as well as Armia Krajowa itself, long suspected as a dormant source of armed opposition to communist rule, was lost. The small strikes which had occurred in Lodz only months before immediately resurfaced, spreading to Poznan, Danzig, and by the 16th, Warsaw itself, where five thousand marched in defiance of armed soldiers. Demanding the immediate trial of the alleged Sikorski assassins, these latent protests alarmed officials in Warsaw, Moscow, and Berlin. For the moment, Gomulka held back Polish soldiers, clearly nervous about acting without higher guidance from Stalin. Instead, he wired for instructions on the 17th, asking for “your thoughts on appropriate action for the encouragement of order,” the word ‘encouragement’ clearly including forceful means.

The growing crisis found Moscow and its leader distracted. Half of the Red Army, up to two-thirds according to some estimates, was fighting a bitter and protacted war in Asia. By July of 1949, the first real breakthrough was being realized as Soviet forces crossed the Yangtze River in force, decimated six Japanese divisions at Shanghai, and seized both this key Japanese port and the Kiri capital at Nanking. China’s puppet leader, Wang Jingwei, was in flight, south through the Ningbo region and beyond.

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By July 1949, the Red Army stood on the brink of triumph in Asia

The fall of Nanking promised ripe political fruit for the Soviet Union. Sinkiang broke off negotiations with India and the Kiri government, Tibet began supplying arms to budding warlords in the Himalayas, and the first low-level contacts began between the Soviets and former Chinese communists who had been integrated into the Kiri armies. With all eyes on China, Stalin could afford little time for Poland. Nor could he ignore the situation. The precedent of civil unrest in a Vienna Pact nation was dangerous, and the USSR could not be seen to stand still. On the 19th, the fateful cable was dispatched from Moscow to Berlin, with Stalin instructing President Pieck to ”move contingency forces to the Polish border”. Though the same message was sent to Prague as well, it was the German reaction that would help shape coming events. To Gomulka, Stalin advised him to use his judgment to suppress the uprising, and ”to request such aid as is necessary to restore the situation.” Stalin was placing the entire onus of responsibility on the Polish president’s shoulders. For a week, time seemed to stand still in Europe, as word of the Polish unrest filtered westward. In London, Churchill called it ”the momentous hour.”. In Washington, a proposed Congressional resolution in support of the Polish strikers was narrowly defeated by a combination of Democrats and nervous Republicans.

Stalemate could clearly not last forever, however, and on the 27th of July, it broke. When armed strikers took over a government radio station in Poznan and began broadcasting their demands openly, Polish soldiers were sent in to drive them out. Shots were fired, and the irreversible course had been set. Unfortunately for the government, the show of strength backfired, as most troops in the Polish Army refused to fire on the protestors. Only in Warsaw did any serious fighting break out. In city after city in Poland, government control was almost bloodlessly undone. Declaring the Armia Krajowa to be the true national army of Poland, General Bor-Komorowski, aging yet still the unquestioned leader of the country’s national spirit, emerged from hiding in Poznan to declare a new government on the 29th. By the 5th of August, Warsaw, the scene of some of the only heavy fighting of the uprising, had been seized by AK forces, with Gomulka captured and put under guard. The Polish Uprising, lasting only ten days, seemed miraculous and improbable. That tight communist control, stretching over almost all of Europe, could be so quickly thrown off, contributed to an atmosphere of disbelief. As August began, governments wavered between astounded optimism and outright panic.

In Berlin, especially, a certain panic electrified the government which, under Pieck’s quiet and determined administration, had brought Germany out of defeat to become a sort of ”managing partner” of Europe, as one Wall Street banker quipped. With the second-largest army in Europe, several divisions of which were serving in Pakistan, the communist government in Berlin was not quite the cowed puppet that some of the other Vienna Pact countries may have been. Germany was fortunate in that it was a time in which they were needed by the Soviets, whose armed capacity was already being strained by the war in Asia. Lulled by the relative moderation with which the Soviet Linking Hands program was applied to Germany, Pieck, one historian would later write, ”was endowed with an inflated assessment of his own role in Europe.” While the Czechs stood by for further word from Stalin, Pieck saw a more active role for Germany. A Free Polish government, which had just withdrawn from the Vienna Pact on August 14th, was as threatening to Germany as it was to the Soviet Union. By mid-August, a third of the German army was massed on the Polish border as part of Stalin’s ”contingency forces”.

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The uprising in Poland was quickly confronted by Vienna Pact forces

Even as hundreds of tanks rumbled towards Poland, which was protected by less than sixty thousand armed fighters of the AK, the western countries at last caught up with events. Encouraged by President Lindbergh, who had sent Secretary Dulles to London earlier in the month, both Prime Minister Attlee and President DeGaulle sent a joint message to Moscow, calling the events in Poland ”an opportunity for the reassessment of the principles discussed at Versailles and Orleans.” Acknowledged but ignored, this initial act of diplomacy only spurred the Soviet government into its attempt to settle the matter. Communication between Warsaw and Moscow was sporadic, yet face-to-face talks were set up on August 22nd. Unfortunately, they quickly broke down in the face of an absolute Soviet refusal to concede the replacement of Gomulka as Polish President, ”democratically elected”, raged Pravda. Rumors had reached Warsaw that the OTO countries were contemplated another diplomatic response, which only encouraged Bor-Komorowski’s obstinance. On the 26th, Soviet envoys left Warsaw and Poland for good. Events quickly accelerated from there, too fast for the leaders and the diplomats to contend with. When fighting broke out in Silesia on the 30th, both German and Polish commanders blamed each other. On the 1st of September, with President Pieck declaring that ”the contingency of decisive action in Poland, as foreseen by our beloved Stalin, has come to pass,” German forces crossed the border almost a decade to the day after a different Germany had attacked another free Poland.

The reaction of Josef Stalin to the news that Pieck had single-handedly initiated armed action in Poland was never recorded, though imagination should suffice in this regard. By the time the first Soviet communiqués arrived in Berlin, warning Pieck to recall the divisions, German artillery was already heard rumbling in the distance in Danzig, and full-scale combat was underway. Announcing that Germany’s move was ”in perfect keeping with the maintenance of order in the face of destabilizing reactionaries,” the Vienna Pact, on instruction from Moscow, approved the armed suppression of Bor-Komorowski’s government and the restoration of President Gomulka. Soviet and Czech forces would soon join the attack.

In London, Parliament was a cacophany of shouts as the news from Poland arrived. Pushing the Conservatives to a fever pitch, Churchill intoned that ”he who fails to act on this resounding stage, wallow in the mud and curse himself weak, for he has lain down the mantle…patriot of Britain.” In Nantes, DeGaulle declared that ”our time is at hand.” The floor of Congress in Washington, D.C. saw Senator McCarthy condemn the ”base cur of communism that tramples freedom and dares us to shout.”

There are many who have difficulty fathoming the swift change from Cold War to outright ultimatum. The reasons why three democratic societies, nervous yet peaceful, should so suddenly resolve themselves to the ultimate resolution of differences, are not quite explained to this day. Perhaps it was the rush of events. Perhaps it was three or four years of building tension, of anti-communist rhetoric and fervor. Perhaps it was the underlying thought that the Orleans Conference was a temporary peace, that the Bear would have to be confronted one day. Or perhaps it was the fulfillment of ideological prediction, ”The Great Crusade” so loudly trumpeted and sometimes dismissed in the American political scene. Yet, on September 3rd, acting in the name of all OTO nations, the United Kingdom, the Republic of France, and the United States passed an ultimatum to the Vienna Pact to cease armed conflict in Poland and reopen negotiations with the Warsaw government. When, on the 5th, the 48-hour deadline had expired, the unthinkable happened.

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I hate the idea of Dulles working for that asshole Lindbergh. :mad:

And yet I keep reading.
 

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May Cthulhu consume your soul for this maddening cliff-hanger, Mett!*

*After you update of course ;)

You're a brave man, Mett, but don't leave my precious China and Britain in the clutch staring down the fiery red Russian throat...

*straps in, buckles up, prepares for Ludicrous Speed*
 

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Allenby said:
Any chances of the other mindless right-winger featured in your AAR being blown up? ;)
God bless you, sir.