The United State of Roanoke

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England 1754
Prime minister Pitt is disturbed by a report from the American colonies.
"The Continental Congress has declared the independance of the United States" says the foreign secretary.
"By Jove", says Pitt, are our colonies in Chesapeake, Massachussets and connecticut in the hands of the Rebels?
"No", says the foreign sec, only our trading post in Roanoke has rebelled.
A cavalry detachment is sent to restore order. While the commander is considering burning down the trading post, and the United States with it, a peace offer cedes Roanoke back to England.
Pitt goes back to reading his post, a young general called Washington has just scored a victory in the far east...

Does this often happen? there were no revolts whatsoever in my other American colonies.
And now the US has no territory, does it still exist (i could not take its capital, becasue the trading post did'nt count as a city)?
Is that it now, or will they revolt again?

 

[ProfCC]

That's about it. I don't have all the details that others will have, but one frustration for many people has been how hard it is for the AI to actually get either the US or the French Revolutions to really fire. I honestly can't remember either event firing in my games.

 

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Well, the French Revolution only fires if the US exists, and the USA often never exists if the British AI is any good. It's not that difficult to crush the rebels, especially with America's generous manpower levels.

 

[LlywelynII]

Does this often happen?

To be honest, not all of my games last that long Not having actual children to bequeath an inheritance to, I tend to either become boringly hegemonic or collapse in a blaze of glory (or both thanks to the increased prevalence and nastiness of civil wars .)

Vanilla or AGCEEP? or are the rebels just as easy to nix in both (obviously the question is about the AI - player ENG tends to have 150k troops in New York around 1775...)

jay.

 

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The Age of Tradingpostnations !

Yep I had the same thing.

Playing Fantasia with Portugal, somewhere in 1620s, and i received a messageof Civil War (Lisbon shocked, starting to prepare for wa...no wait, they revolted themslves!). Certain provinces are then in the hands of rebels, including tradingposts (in this case Cyrenaica and Phuket). The Civil War was no big deal, as it was easy to control, so I got a bit lazy about my overseas posts, not attempting to free them from rebel control.

The next thing that happens: Cyrenaica & Ayutthaya (Phuket prov) declare independance from Portugal and continued their bright future as tradingpostnations!

I liked it, but I have not the faintest clue how the AI got so mad

 

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and the USA often never exists if the British AI is any good.

And if British AI is not good enough, there aren't any american colonies to revolt.

 

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No its me playing england not the AI, its only my second game so I decided to make it hard for the USA to form by not colonising all the 13 colonies (Lenape still owns New York!). Instead i colonised Canada, the west coast and the mid-west. Never the less, i still can't beleive that there were no revolters in the 3 provinces i had colonised (Chesapeake, conecticut and Massachusetts).
I wonder what triggered the event in 1754, you would think it would trigger later as the american colonies were not as far advanced as historically.

 

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Well, the French Revolution only fires if the US exists, and the USA often never exists if the British AI is any good. It's not that difficult to crush the rebels, especially with America's generous manpower levels.

The Radical Republic option is only allowed if the USA exists, but they can still have an English-style constitutional monarchy kind of revolution.

 

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No its me playing england not the AI, its only my second game so I decided to make it hard for the USA to form by not colonising all the 13 colonies (Lenape still owns New York!). Instead i colonised Canada, the west coast and the mid-west. Never the less, i still can't beleive that there were no revolters in the 3 provinces i had colonised (Chesapeake, conecticut and Massachusetts).
I wonder what triggered the event in 1754, you would think it would trigger later as the american colonies were not as far advanced as historically.

If it's 1754, then the US simply formed as a revolter from the revolt file. You either got a Colonial Uprising event or some rebels crossed over into Roanoke from an adjoining country. You can still get the real deal in 1776, though - all the revoltrisk events rely on the US not existing... if you'd left them alone til 1773 and then force-annexed them that would be the end of it.

 

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[Kidding mode on]Nothing beats the pleasure you get in crushing those american revolts. [/Kidding mode off]

(confirmed europhile)​

 

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Well, the French Revolution only fires if the US exists, and the USA often never exists if the British AI is any good. It's not that difficult to crush the rebels, especially with America's generous manpower levels.

What does American manpower have to do with anything? England does not benefit from American manpower. Provinces have to be on the same continent as the capital or land connected to the capital to provide manpower. You maybe mean build capacity? It does not seem to be too "generous" regardless.

 

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If it's 1754, then the US simply formed as a revolter from the revolt file. You either got a Colonial Uprising event or some rebels crossed over into Roanoke from an adjoining country. You can still get the real deal in 1776, though - all the revoltrisk events rely on the US not existing... if you'd left them alone til 1773 and then force-annexed them that would be the end of it.

Sounds like I could have saved myself some trouble if I had left the continental congress to lord it over a trading post in a swamp.

If they rebel again in 1776, do I get to keep Washington, or does he join the rebels, even if he is in Malaya?

 

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Sounds like I could have saved myself some trouble if I had left the continental congress to lord it over a trading post in a swamp.

If they rebel again in 1776, do I get to keep Washington, or does he join the rebels, even if he is in Malaya?

He "dies" and the US general appears in his place in a random American province.

 

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He "dies" and the US general appears in his place in a random American province.

Yes, its now 1765 and he's died, maybe it wasn't George, just his lesser known cousin Fred.

 

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Sounds like I could have saved myself some trouble if I had left the continental congress to lord it over a trading post in a swamp.

Reminds me of Sealand.

 

[Incompetent]

What does American manpower have to do with anything? England does not benefit from American manpower. Provinces have to be on the same continent as the capital or land connected to the capital to provide manpower. You maybe mean build capacity? It does not seem to be too "generous" regardless.

I think he means the US is fatally weakened by its own 'generous' supply of MP.

 

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Ah... sarcasam. Where is the emoticon for sarcasm? Maybe rolley?

 

[wryun]

Maybe a quick fix for US revolt problems would be to set their revolt.txt so that they can't revolt before the event sequence (at least then you wouldn't get 'silly' one province USAs, which are worse when they prevent the actual event sequence firing...).

 

[saskganesh]

trading post nations can be wonderful sources of cash in (easily arranged) peace settlements. just let them let them ally with your enemies and henceforth reap.

 

[Elmokki]

In one of the MP games I played in the US was born as a 3000 inhabitant super United States of Santee (or some province near that, can't remember.).

No super power at 20th century tho, that state didn't last long.