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Originally posted by Dawkins
Heh you missed a spot in Jaffna :D

Well country specifics aside, I do think it would be good to deliberately cram the most experienced players together as the main countries in Europe and let the less experienced ones muddle along on the peripheries. Anyway, I'm sure being surrounded by top players should put a cap on the mindless colonisation :)
Bah. While just about anybody can run a major European country well, too many players are, apparently, entirely incapable of managing the major non-European countries, leaving them little but speedbumps only marginally better than when run by the AI.

If I had run the Mughals from the very start, Asia would have been a much more interesting battlefield - also for the Europeans. Not, admittedly, with historical wars, but at the very least with some sort of dynamism that is all too often lacking in Asia in MP.

(I would probably have ended up receiving multiple spankings at the hands of European expeditionary corps forcing me to cede valuable provinces or grant trading priviliges, but that, too, would have improved the Asian theatre)
 
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I dunno Dawkins, why should all the so called experienced players always get the central countries?

For me the issue is that as host I need certain countries played and thus they tend to go to the players that I know will be there more than most. These players over time tend to be the experienced ones.

Its an interesting question.
 

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Bocaj if you are so rabidly anti role play why do you have those evil letters "RPG" scattered across your sig and location? :D

Easy. I enjoy RPing when I have time. I'm used of playing at below average speed and I usually know the country I'm playing. I'm actually surprised that I didn't crash that night...

Anyway, what's so evil about RPGs? They're MUCH more fun than stuff like AARs and only EU2 MP tops it IMO.;) :D

Then again, I better like the RPG's seeing it's a full time job for me, the amount of time I put into it...:p :D
 

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In my opinion, England, Russia, Austria, Spain, Netherlands, France, and the Ottoman Empire are all capable of becoming powerhouses that can dominate a game. Some through raw economy coupled with great events/religion/location, and others through brute manpower. One thing about 1.07beta is that, it is much harder for a bigger country manpower wise to dominate a smaller one. Not only because Conscription centers can be built, but that it isn't manpower that matters, so much as support limit. The manpower heavy countries will have more staying power, but they won't be anywhere near as rich...Which I think could use a bit more tweaking. The Netherlands being able to field as big an army as France is just evil...Which is how it was when I couldn't afford more then one CC, and Red had 12 built.

What I would really like to see is a country like Sweden, Poland or an Italian like Venice or Papal States *really* dominate the scene. It's too bad that the Swedish can never afford to gain the tech superiority that they start out with in the 1700 campaign.
 

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Originally posted by Damocles
In my opinion, England, Russia, Austria, Spain, Netherlands, France, and the Ottoman Empire are all capable of becoming powerhouses that can dominate a game. Some through raw economy coupled with great events/religion/location, and others through brute manpower. One thing about 1.07beta is that, it is much harder for a bigger country manpower wise to dominate a smaller one. Not only because Conscription centers can be built, but that it isn't manpower that matters, so much as support limit. The manpower heavy countries will have more staying power, but they won't be anywhere near as rich...Which I think could use a bit more tweaking. The Netherlands being able to field as big an army as France is just evil...Which is how it was when I couldn't afford more then one CC, and Red had 12 built.

What I would really like to see is a country like Sweden, Poland or an Italian like Venice or Papal States *really* dominate the scene. It's too bad that the Swedish can never afford to gain the tech superiority that they start out with in the 1700 campaign.

Never played MGC4 it seems. Sweden has potential but has to wrestle her cbs from Denmark as well as getting dominance over the baltic provs.

I will put my final AAR up today.
 

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Originally posted by Mowers
I dunno Dawkins, why should all the so called experienced players always get the central countries?

For me the issue is that as host I need certain countries played and thus they tend to go to the players that I know will be there more than most. These players over time tend to be the experienced ones.

Its an interesting question.

Well I wouldn't say always, just once it would be interesting to see what happens ... it's kinda like the perverse curiosity that made the first person stick a pit-bull dog in a pit, with a bull ;) I've never played MP yet though, just read the MGC AARs, so take everything I say with a pinch of salt :)

As a potential new MPer I wouldn't object at all to being given a periphery country while I learn the ropes... that way any mistakes would be less likely to result in public humiliation and file editting ;)
 

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Originally posted by Dawkins
Well I wouldn't say always, just once it would be interesting to see what happens ... it's kinda like the perverse curiosity that made the first person stick a pit-bull dog in a pit, with a bull ;) I've never played MP yet though, just read the MGC AARs, so take everything I say with a pinch of salt :)

As a potential new MPer I wouldn't object at all to being given a periphery country while I learn the ropes... that way any mistakes would be less likely to result in public humiliation and file editting ;)

The only mistake which won´t be forgiven is deliberatly ruining your own country. All else is not really a problem.
 
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Archduke is right.

However, with Tsunami 2 if I run with the 1419option then I am somewhat tempted to get the good the bad and ugly and put them in the blender that will be French minors, could make for an interesting first weekend.
 

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Originally posted by Mowers
Archduke is right.

However, with Tsunami 2 if I run with the 1419option then I am somewhat tempted to get the good the bad and ugly and put them in the blender that will be French minors, could make for an interesting first weekend.

I will play in this but I would really look forward to a second Tsunami maybe starting in 1492 played during May or June.
 

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England 1791-1799 - Old friends lost, new friends gained.

In the year 1791 the English alliance triumphated over France. Although the victory was somewhat unhonourable as it was achieved by several betrayals of the members of the french alliance on France.

France was striped off her colonial empire leaving only 4 islands in the Caribean and the Indian Ocean and some land in the area of southern NA.

The alliance that brought France down consisted of Spain, Portugal, Holland, England, Denmark, Russia, Austria and Prussia. It become obvious that with the fall of France the alliance was of no use really and as it was too big, England announced that all members were free to leave the alliance if they wanted without hurting their relations with England.

Russia and Austria left 2 months later stating they would make their own alliance. Russia was angry at England as Russia had expected to make gains against Sweden. England however had no interest in hurting Sweden as she was one of the secret informants of England in the big war. And due the request of Denmark, Sweden was offically invited into the English alliance.
Lateron Holland also decided to leave the english cause and joined the Austrian alliance together with China. The iberians nations also decided to stay together with England.

That was the situation in 1794. Seeing France isolated and lacking a partner on the continent numerous messangers were sent to France seeking to re-establish english-french friendship now that the colonial disputes were settled. The french king was happy to join England and Denmark as they at least were honourable enemies and appeared to be trusted. As a sign of friendship and as reparations France got huge sums of money from the Danish-English alliance. Although England made it quite clear that France will only enjoy english protection if she stays out of any offensive wars.

The year was 1795 and Europe was licking her wounds. In Asia a small nation foolish enough to attack the Muslim league was dismembered by the Mughals. And in payment of all the state gifts that were missing England sent a diplomat to Kabul with chests containing 5000 ducats! Truly a day of celebration mush have followed in the Mughal Empire. The english King tried to thank the Mughal Empire for the continuing protection of the english possessions in India and for mediating between England and other muslim powers.

Internal England reached trade tech 10, infra tech 8 and reached tech 55 both naval and land.

France had used the years from 1791 to build up a huge army again numbering 1 million. The situation grew tense across Europe as France made hostile moves towards her neighbours. And fearing a war Portugal and Spain left England and joined the Austrian alliance which was further strengthened by an ungrateful Prussia who had gained so much under english protection.

Two new power-blocs had emerged on one side England and Denmark aided by Sweden, Columbia and France and a monstrous alliance of all other great powers to contain any french aggression: Russia, Austria, China, Prussia, Holland, Spain, Portugal.

Europe was again on the brink of war with England again in the smaller alliance against great odds.
 

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1799-The End - The Advent of a new world order.

England stood as number 1 in 1799. Her mighty fleet, enourmous wealth, great colonial empire was outstanding. Only Spain, Holland and to some extent Portugal had that vast territories under their control.

Although all the great colonial empires were in the enemy alliance England was still unsure if she could justify starting an aggressive war. She made that clear to the french king but France didn´t listen to England as she was out to seek revenge on the ones who left her all alone in 1791.

At that time Denmark was in heavy negotiations with Russia over the the province Finnmark which was a new addition to the russian empire and was populated by Scandinavians. Russia tried to get Denmark out of the old alliance with England stating that the english leader was not to be trusted. The Danish king laughed at this:

"Wyvern (Russia) :*Magic is not trustworthy"
"Mowers (Denmark) :*he is, my phone bill to him this week has been £15"

And now the Danish king and the English king talked about how and if they would support France in a aggressive war. It was decided with a bit of persuasion from the Danish king that England and Denmark would support France in her bid for continental hegemony whilst they would ensure joint Danish-English supremacy over the rest of the world.

And so aided by Napoleon in 1799 France decleared war on Austria. It was agreed by all sides that this war would finally decide who was the one in charge in Europe.

Portugal wisely had a secret agreement with England and peaced out immeaditly and with Spain it had been agreed that both nations would not fight in the colonies.

Thousands of soldiers began to march over Europe while the english fleet set out to fight the 2nd biggest fleet in the world in the waters before Amsterdam. Commanded by Admiral Nelson the 304 warships met the 239 dutch warships. The battle raged for 2 days but due superior leadership and equipment the english fleet destroyed the dutch fleet without significant looses.

Navalbattle.JPG


The french king lateron reported that main dutch army was broken whilst plundering in the province of Orleanais which made the dutch empire no threat anymore. For a more exact explanation of the french war against the continental powers check this post from Damo in the middle of the page:

French journal

For the next three years Columbia and England attacked the dutch colonial empire all around the world. And while the war on the continent raged on Holland had to turn over part of her colonial empire to England:

"August 15, 1806 : Netherlands accepted peace with England on the following terms : Manado to England, Wairoa to England, Whangarei to England, Salabanka to England, Viti Levu to England, Campeche to Colombia, Yucatanto Colombia, Buru to England, Sorong to England, Taranaki to England, Kauai to England, Oahu to England, Wewak to England & Nicaragua to Colombia. "

England had now secured her a dominant position in the Pacific Ocean also and expanded her possesions in Indonesia significantly.

France had meanwhile smashed Prussia, Austria and Holland and turned towards Spain. She regained much of the territory lost in the 1791 war and gained Flandern from Holland also.

Holland was beaten, Spain had to give up Mexico. The future looked bright for the French-English-Danish alliance when all of sudden Sweden broke apart ceding two provinces to Russia. Denmark and England were furious and England used the main reserve army in England to land in Russia to humble Russia for that. 1 year ago St.Petersburg had been stormed to relieve Sweden but it did prove to be not significant enough to peace Russia out. Under the command of Duke Wellington England achieved amazing success in a blitz campaign in Russia lasting mere months:

WelinRussia.JPG


As most of mainland russia was under control England offered Russia peace for ceding Moscow!:D Russia didn´t give in but lost stability. Russia was on the brink of total destruction. England occupying the heartland, War Exhaustion extremely high and the Muslim league of OE, Persia and the Mughal Empire joining the fun.

England never wanted to wage war on Russia and only did so to aid her ally Sweden. Seeing Russia was helpless England then offered the hand of friendship to her. For letting the former two swedish provinces revolt back England aided Russia with an emergency financial packet of 1500 ducats.

So with October coming round Duke Wellington embarked on the ships in the Gulf of Ingermanland. The fleet then cruised directly to China the last of the austrian-russian allies yet unbeaten. 70k new recruits merged with Wellington in Anglia and sailing for 3months they arrived in the Gulf of Beijing landing there to support the small Indian expedition force that fought against impossible odds in China:

ChineseLanding.JPG


China sued for peace after some battles and was persuaded to give up her CoT in Shanghai for 1000 ducats.

My income was about 900-1000 but together with the plundering in China I was able to get in this:

Income.JPG


And guess what the gold income was Wewak my first gold province.

England now truly ruled the waves! 450 warships under her command with nearby all strategic islands of the world under english control, India, NA, Indonesia and Australia under her control. An income twice as big as the next richest power.

The last years were only peace and England maxed techs out finally in 1807 with gaining infra tech 10. One more war was fought against Holland destroying her completely and making her a mediocre power.
The Muslim League whitepeaced with Russia. England finally paid all state gifts for Ganges. 30.000 ducats as stated by Peter.

CoTs under english control:

Anglia, Manhattan, Falklands, Tahiti, Jakarta, Ganges and Shanghai and one I can´t remember in Australia.

And the end picture by Wyvern:



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The french king lateron reported that main dutch army was broken whilst plundering in the province of Orleanais which made the dutch empire no threat anymore.

If you look towards the bottom of Archduke's first picture, you will see a 358k French army under Lannes (6/5/6/2 leader), marching towards the province of Orleanais where a 115k Dutch army (no leader) is desperately trying to escape. The battle lasted about three seconds. :D :D
 

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Originally posted by Damocles
If you look towards the bottom of Archduke's first picture, you will see a 358k French army under Lannes (6/5/6/2 leader), marching towards the province of Orleanais where a 115k Dutch army (no leader) is desperately trying to escape. The battle lasted about three seconds. :D :D

Sounds just like my naval engagement with them.:)
 

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Originally posted by Damocles
If you look towards the bottom of Archduke's first picture, you will see a 358k French army under Lannes (6/5/6/2 leader), marching towards the province of Orleanais where a 115k Dutch army (no leader) is desperately trying to escape. The battle lasted about three seconds. :D :D

How much attrition does a 358K army have in france?
 

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Hmm, seems thats the last of the AARs. Now the Tsunami is really over. Feels kind of weird actually. Hope you will get another 1419 or 1492 game going when the Birth of a Nation is finished.

Btw. Seems you have created a logo! The tsunami, perhaps the name of games that are open to everyone, or organized by/with Mowers.
Bleh, im just rambling now.