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They update the bundle from time to time, so it may be missing newest dlcs, but it's still better deal than buying them separately.
Huh? It has everything but Charlemagne and Way of Life (and the handful of face/unit packs that came with those).
"Far from being complete"?? Wtf? Everything except the brand-new expansion for under $30, man.
Hmm, yeah i did that, and it worked with 1 friend. He got all the DLC since then. But as i said it is quite hard. Also guys, it's not about selling the game for the current players, cause most of us are already sold (i've got all the DLC, so i'm pretty much sold). It's more about selling it to new players. That is quite a bit more difficult, with all those DLC's out, that you have to convince them, are not important. Packaging all of them in, say up to Charlemange, and just shortening the list would do wonders i think.
That's just my opinion tho.
Not really, it's a new model that hasn't been done before. People are used to DLC simply being content withheld from the base game, as opposed to something that offers more playstyles. I think as a potential buyer, I'd be seriously concerned at the state of the vanilla game after all those DLCs. It could be neglected, poorly balanced and feature-poor if the team got too focused on DLC to keep refining the base game. And the various combinations of DLCs could also be an issue - who's going to make sure every DLC is balanced for every possible DLC combo?
I would have never bought CK II for full price. Never.
I remember back in the day when I made my purchase decision the sheer amount of dlc was a major turn-off as well. I think bundling up the dlc in bigger packages for a lower price should really be done rather soon. The flood of dlc is really unwieldy. I've got a very good friend who might be interested but he's already flipping his shit about Civ V having way too much dlc (back before the complete edition).
One day I saw the CK II collection, which was not complete in any way but it was dirt cheap at humblebundle and at the time I think Old Gods has just been released for a month or so and wasn't included but everything else was. I bought The Old Gods and RoI only much later each for like 75% or even 80% off on amazon. I also bought all the minor flavor dlc that wasn't included in the collection for 75% off piece by piece which was really damn annoying back when steam still didn't show you immediately what you already owned.
Currently I'm waiting for the Charlemagne dlc to drop to 75% somewhere or maybe even just 50% as long as I don't have to pay it in €.
I'm a damn university student I just can't afford these nonsense prices of 2€ for facepack.
I remember back in the day when I made my purchase decision the sheer amount of dlc was a major turn-off as well. I think bundling up the dlc in bigger packages for a lower price should really be done rather soon. The flood of dlc is really unwieldy. I've got a very good friend who might be interested but he's already flipping his shit about Civ V having way too much dlc (back before the complete edition).
One day I saw the CK II collection, which was not complete in any way but it was dirt cheap at humblebundle and at the time I think Old Gods has just been released for a month or so and wasn't included but everything else was. I bought The Old Gods and RoI only much later each for like 75% or even 80% off on amazon. I also bought all the minor flavor dlc that wasn't included in the collection for 75% off piece by piece which was really damn annoying back when steam still didn't show you immediately what you already owned.
Currently I'm waiting for the Charlemagne dlc to drop to 75% somewhere or maybe even just 50% as long as I don't have to pay it in €.
I'm a damn university student I just can't afford these nonsense prices of 2€ for facepack.
things would be improved if they tied more of the minor DLC into major DLC
i mean, sure, you can force me to pay $2 for correct dynastic shields for characters i already had to buy a DLc to play in the first place (Dnyasty 2 and/or 3 i think), and for charly Dynasties) but thats nothing but a blatant cash grab. same with early clothing packs, i already have to buy the rights to use the period they appear on characters, but im expected to pay an extra $2 each?
tbh, i hate the dynasty shield DLC in general thouygh, for a game about dynasties, nd where i can only use historical ones without another DLC, it's ridiculous i have to pay money to make them be the correct dynasty emblems. its like in vicky 3, to have correct flags for nations i have to pay money for them.
African pace packs annoy me the most though, an entire race, iirc, added in post game, and i have to buy the right for them to not look arab?
i mean, sure, you can force me to pay $2 for correct dynastic shields for characters i already had to buy a DLc to play in the first place (Dnyasty 2 and/or 3 i think), and for charly Dynasties) but thats nothing but a blatant cash grab. same with early clothing packs, i already have to buy the rights to use the period they appear on characters, but im expected to pay an extra $2 each?
tbh, i hate the dynasty shield DLC in general thouygh, for a game about dynasties, nd where i can only use historical ones without another DLC, it's ridiculous i have to pay money to make them be the correct dynasty emblems. its like in vicky 3, to have correct flags for nations i have to pay money for them.
African pace packs annoy me the most though, an entire race, iirc, added in post game, and i have to buy the right for them to not look arab?
I would really like to see a complete package, with the mandatory package.
So all those like old gods, lords of rome, sons of abraham, way of life etc.
(well offcourse not way of life and charlegmane cause they have just been released)
Cut out the unitpacks, songs, potraits and other fluff.
Seriously this way they can start really bug fixing, think they milked those old dlc long enough.
So start combining a package keep the fluff out of it. As optional.
But heck wait somebody buys charlemagne and ops tribal feature republic isn't working at all.
Person has to buy republic, what is that for milk scam? How old is the Republic by now?
Time to bring either the republic into the base game! Or update the DLC republic with inland republic.
Now I guess they will choose the 2nd option, sell us as DLC, fine by me.
But fix the bugs and offer features that doesn't mean cut out parts.
Milk the supporting public with potraits and units and songs and ebooks (why did I even buy it lol, I don't even know
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Or bring out the DLC mod tool kit, was browsing the steam workshop out of boredom.
Something as simple as 2 line define editting. Has to be in the workshop ?
Here you have people asking for change of years in focus, that is a 1 line define editing >.<
So all those like old gods, lords of rome, sons of abraham, way of life etc.
(well offcourse not way of life and charlegmane cause they have just been released)
Cut out the unitpacks, songs, potraits and other fluff.
Seriously this way they can start really bug fixing, think they milked those old dlc long enough.
So start combining a package keep the fluff out of it. As optional.
But heck wait somebody buys charlemagne and ops tribal feature republic isn't working at all.
Person has to buy republic, what is that for milk scam? How old is the Republic by now?
Time to bring either the republic into the base game! Or update the DLC republic with inland republic.
Now I guess they will choose the 2nd option, sell us as DLC, fine by me.
But fix the bugs and offer features that doesn't mean cut out parts.
Milk the supporting public with potraits and units and songs and ebooks (why did I even buy it lol, I don't even know
)Or bring out the DLC mod tool kit, was browsing the steam workshop out of boredom.
Something as simple as 2 line define editting. Has to be in the workshop ?
Here you have people asking for change of years in focus, that is a 1 line define editing >.<
Well, everything except two major expansions doesn't seem complete to me, don't know about you. I don't really insist that Charlemagne and Way of Life should be in it, but it isn't complete.
Also, I agree that merging the small unit/portrait/shield DLCs into bigger ones would also help to bring in some new players. I doubt that anybody plays full price for them anyway...
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how is a game all about stareing at faces not complete without more than two kinds of faces?
Well those are fluff, they don't really act much aside from very "strong" sentimental value
They are deal breakers to me, but to some the units are deal breakers. Units are meh to me (even if I bought them all)
But you need to seperate fluff from mechanics.
Mechanics like LoR Sons of Abraham, Old Gods (raiding) etc are on the longterm making the biggest impact.
Am still modding mercenaries/holy order vassals, with x house hold troops out of boredom.
But give that mechanic to some people they would take it for a must have
To me events aren't that important, my imagination is beter
, but yeah but it is still a needed mechanic for most.
I barely bought CK2. A guy I yack with occasionally went absolutely batty over the game, marathon playing, etc. He practically gushed about how awesome it was, and we have similar tastes in games so I decided to get it. I took one look at the DLC releases and wrote it off entirely on principal. I only picked it up later because of a 50% sale and the stuff was still well over $100.
If I didn't just have money to blow, I wouldn't have bought it even on sale. This may not be train simulator, but it's definitely having a negative impact on adoption. It's basically still in beta, an ever evolving feature set that may or may not work well at any given point, and costs an arm and a leg to jump into. I may think it's been worth it on the whole, but if I were jumping in today instead of a year ago, with two more major DLC releases since? I really can't see myself buying it, especially with the bug issues that crop up constantly. I'd probably write Paradox off as money grubbers that release buggy DLC to milk a 3 year old cash cow.
If I didn't just have money to blow, I wouldn't have bought it even on sale. This may not be train simulator, but it's definitely having a negative impact on adoption. It's basically still in beta, an ever evolving feature set that may or may not work well at any given point, and costs an arm and a leg to jump into. I may think it's been worth it on the whole, but if I were jumping in today instead of a year ago, with two more major DLC releases since? I really can't see myself buying it, especially with the bug issues that crop up constantly. I'd probably write Paradox off as money grubbers that release buggy DLC to milk a 3 year old cash cow.
It is the new strategy, they give massive sales of 75% to give to customers the illusion that they have a good deal, but the trick is to make the dlc overpriced and cut in small parts. I was amazed by EU4 Art of war that was sold for 20 euros and for that price you had not even the units models and music.
Least with CK2, and something to remind any hesitant friend on the fence, most of the DLC features are available in free patches. As scary as the price tag of so many DLCs can be, the only things locked out are non-Christians, some time periods, and the odd mechanic here or there.
I don't really care about the unit packs, but the face packs are really necessary for me. There's so much joy to be had out of the diversity in the game and waiting to see what your children will look like, and it's lovely when an Arab couple has a beautiful white-skinned Persian baby boy.
I got all the face packs in the winter sale with steam trading card money. No regrets! Except the Turkish unit pack I accidentally bought.
The game gets updated with every patch. You don't need the dlc at all it's just there if you want more out of the game.
The base game is worth roughly the same it always has and if anything offers more content now than ever.
It would be pretty nice if they started bundling some dlc though and possibly making the earlier ones much cheaper or free.
The base game is worth roughly the same it always has and if anything offers more content now than ever.
It would be pretty nice if they started bundling some dlc though and possibly making the earlier ones much cheaper or free.
Look I understand people saying this but really the answer is then just buy the base game and play it. If its not fun don't worry about getting more invested if you like it and wont more dive on in. That has always been what I told my friends. DLC is by far not needed to enjoy this game. This is a case of the player base needing to catch up with the idea that DLC is not like the DLC of other games.
Have you tried explaining that it is this way so that you can pick and choose what you want? Like when you go to a restaurant and you get a menu. You can order everything on the menu for like 1,000 dollars (depending on how expensive the restaurant is it could be millions!) or you can order what you want for 40 dollars. If you order everything you won't like some of it and you won't be able to eat it all anyway.
I bought everything because I love CK2 and buying DLC shows there's a demand for DLC so they'll keep making it. I love that the game keeps expanding. I don't like all the directions it has expanded in. I hate Rajas of India for example. I actually hate it. I think it's a useless addition and does not fit in to the game at all.
Also tell them to try the demo. Paradox is like the only company that still exists that gives demos for their games. That alone is worth my support, when so many developers (basically all of them) are dishonest shits these days.
I bought everything because I love CK2 and buying DLC shows there's a demand for DLC so they'll keep making it. I love that the game keeps expanding. I don't like all the directions it has expanded in. I hate Rajas of India for example. I actually hate it. I think it's a useless addition and does not fit in to the game at all.
Also tell them to try the demo. Paradox is like the only company that still exists that gives demos for their games. That alone is worth my support, when so many developers (basically all of them) are dishonest shits these days.