The Teutonic Order and his big problem.

[OutsiderSubtype]

Is there any point in giving a Holy Order land (whether through the event or otherwise) besides the one-time piety boost? They are never willing to accept my vassalization offer because I am not their de jure liege, even when I give them land in my de jure kingdom.

 

[Wilsonrtf]

Roleplay, I`d say.

 

[Grave Digger]

I don't understand. How did they get a holy order to accept vassalisation? With a Basque (Iberian) HRE and maxed relations I still cannot get a Castillian (Iberian) Knights Templar to accept vassalisation. They say I am the wrong culture even though we are in the same culture group. I can't imagine a Mongol being able to overcome that penalty in any way with a German Grand-Master. Something is broken for this to happen and me to never be able to vassalise.

I dont know how the horde does this. You can do it if you have given them land and invite someone with a claim on the title of the order and then push this title. He then becomes the grandmaster and your vassal.

 

[Herald of Andraste]

You want to something weird Teutonic Italy

 

[Thorkel the Tall]

In my games they usually establish themselves with a county or two in the Balkans and then a series of baronies. I fought them and the Poles as they joined a defensive pact against me, the Teutons raised 12K of their own troops. So not an irrelevant force in my book.

About vassalization: I havent tried the Teutons, and it has been a while with the spanish orders and the Templars/Hospitallars, but they dont accept through diplomatic options, but through the intrigue tap, if you have the correct de jure land (I have no clue what that is for the Teutons).

 

[FifthMonarchy]

On a related note of wonky religious land grant design - I like to play as Miaphysites which means i try to get Alexandria, holy site and seat of the pope. He is automagically granted the bishophric if it's held by a miaphysite, which is great for moral authority as it's an extra +10 'pope controls holy site'. But if you give the county to a vassal they'll repeatedly attack their own religious head in a holdings war - which of course he'll only get back via the automated script once they've given it to a bishop.

 

[kmh42]

About vassalization: I was able to make them my vassal as a Francis/HRE French emperor while one of my brothers was the leader of the TO.
I would like to add this

Not only this but a Holy Order should be able to hire themselves to defend against Christians that are attacking them as well.

to the list

 

[FifthMonarchy]

How about adding a massive piety cost to attacking your own holy orders/religious heads, both initial and per month as happens with Muslim-on-Muslim? That would probably discourage the AI.

 

[Boodas]

Thread from 2012 return to your slumber

 

[Herald of Andraste]

It's annoying that you have to be german to vassals them because I'm playing as hungary and it would nice to have help against the seljuks and cumans

 

[Herald of Andraste]

Thread from 2012 return to your slumber

 

[Had a dad]

Nah, I am taking control....