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There will be PTI in vanilla EUIII. But if we can, we will make the PTI go away, won't we? 
In my opinion the amount of PTI should be directly relative to the game mechanics.
I mean, many of the places you can colonize even in EU2 are so unbeliveable places to be held by europeans in the timeframe and might be good to have them PTI or alternatively just make owning them moronic.
Anyway, I think the map was said to be modifiable, so anyone should be able to make a version he/she likes. I personally want to code a random America generator. Especially with less determinism it should be interesting.
I mean, many of the places you can colonize even in EU2 are so unbeliveable places to be held by europeans in the timeframe and might be good to have them PTI or alternatively just make owning them moronic.
Anyway, I think the map was said to be modifiable, so anyone should be able to make a version he/she likes. I personally want to code a random America generator. Especially with less determinism it should be interesting.
Alexandre said:
Nobody's arguing that the Great Plains should be PTI. (or at least I'm not.)
Most of the PTI supporters only want it where the Europeans simply didn't go-Central Africa, the Australian Interior, northern Greenland...
As for the second idea-yes, mif the Europeans could have feasibly colonized Central Africa, for example, then yes, there should be some rather unfriendly provinces there. But there is simply no way for the Europeans to get there. While in-game you could send a suicide mission to the Congo to explore it, in the real world that wouldn't be possible, as your explorers would need to survive to tell the motherland about it. Which brings us back to the point that there's no reason for Paradox to model a bunch of unreachable, useless provinces.
It's quite simple.
Finish the map, but make the areas you consider to be so inhospitable as to be colonised during the EUIII timeframe practically impossible to colonise. By this, I mean make the colony/trading post, etc. figures extremely low.
In EUII, some provinces had 85% success rate to colonise, some had 3% on a good day. Use a similar sort of system during vanilla play; that way these provinces are 99% likely to remain uncolonised throughout the game.
However - and more importantly - should modders wish to colonise these provinces, they can do so by simply changing the success rate of colonisation, as opposed to simply not having it on the map at all.
I think that's a nice solution
Finish the map, but make the areas you consider to be so inhospitable as to be colonised during the EUIII timeframe practically impossible to colonise. By this, I mean make the colony/trading post, etc. figures extremely low.
In EUII, some provinces had 85% success rate to colonise, some had 3% on a good day. Use a similar sort of system during vanilla play; that way these provinces are 99% likely to remain uncolonised throughout the game.
However - and more importantly - should modders wish to colonise these provinces, they can do so by simply changing the success rate of colonisation, as opposed to simply not having it on the map at all.
I think that's a nice solution
But why should useless, uncolonisable provinces be included at all? If modders wish to make them colonisable, they can add the provinces themselves. That's why Paradox makes their games so moddable, because they can't satisfy everyone.
Yes, but since the locals never went anywhere and sateyed locals they are pretty much irrelevant to the game. In any case, uncolonisable (and they should be uncolonisable) central african provinces are a waste of precious province tags. They're a limited commodity after all.Rotten Venetic said:
Limited commodity? Why? Aren't they supposed to go up to a high power of 2? Anyhow, in real life the locals did stay locals - but what's to say they couldn't get other ideas?
And in real life, the sentient meat patties of Glorkon 6 were isolationist, but what if they get other ideas? And where do the mer-people fit into all this? As I said previously, it's not Paradox's job to model every ahistoric possibility. There is far more important work than making a bunch of useless, poor provinces and the useless, poor nations to fill them.
Don't know about that. Al we've been told is that there are going to be over 1700 provinces and seazones. How much over and wherether any spare province tags are left for modders is a matter of speculation.Rotten Venetic said:
I wasnt joking you know, though I do find the idea amusing, I really would love to see a cascading waterfall at the edge of the world with the sounds when you hover over tehere on the map, until Columbus comes along and explores the area.cwhomer said:
passer by said:
Just for you to know....
Portuguese sailer Pedro Alvares Cabral discovered the "New World" (Brazil) before Columbus discovered America!
So... if there is to be a point of change in your idea... it must be with Cabral's arrivel to Brazil.
By the way...just a little more knowledge for you....columbus's discover was financially suported by Portugal not Spain. However, Portugal claimed a "Share" to high to Columbus so he gave the Charts to Spain.
Crespo_Portugal said:Just for you to know....
Portuguese sailer Pedro Alvares Cabral discovered the "New World" (Brazil) before Columbus discovered America!
So... if there is to be a point of change in your idea... it must be with Cabral's arrivel to Brazil.
By the way...just a little more knowledge for you....columbus's discover was financially suported by Portugal not Spain. However, Portugal claimed a "Share" to high to Columbus so he gave the Charts to Spain.
He was Genoese, wasn't he? I read somewhere that he offered his services to England fairly early on, but was rejected due to lack of finance at the time. Can anyone shed any light on this? If it's true, then I don't see why England (or indeed any other nation with sufficient technlogical advancements) couldn't discover the New World first
mandead said:He was Genoese, wasn't he? I read somewhere that he offered his services to England fairly early on, but was rejected due to lack of finance at the time. Can anyone shed any light on this? If it's true, then I don't see why England (or indeed any other nation with sufficient technlogical advancements) couldn't discover the New World first
Yes...he was Genoese...thou there are speculations by researchers that he might been spanish or even portuguese!
You're right bout that! England asked to much but had very litle to give....on the other hand Portugal had to much and gave it, but asked to much in return... and then Spain who hadn't gave a dime to is journey took all the credit at the expense of Portugal.
Still...portugal was already and remained till around 1800 the richest nation in the world.
...i say till 1800 cause millions were spent to the recover of the 1755 earthquake!...that's what pulled Portugal down from being a "Empire". Ergo colonie started to revolt...due to the lack of money.Cause portugal was absorving the money only for the rebuilding of Lisbon and Setubal.
That's why Portugal failled to be "even nowadays" a World Powerfull nation"...
And if you remember that's when the True English empire Started to rise.... when the Portuguese one "fell".
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As to PTI...I've tried polite posts, I've tried less polite posts. Neither seems to be resulting in the salient points being understood so here's the final word:
*thread closed*
However, this is all off topic for this thread so I'd suggest starting a new one.
As to PTI...I've tried polite posts, I've tried less polite posts. Neither seems to be resulting in the salient points being understood so here's the final word:
- Moddeling the provinces covered by PTI would take the full time work of one of Paradox's artists at least a week or two to get into reasonable shape.
- There would also need to be province files created by the history/research team for each added province, even if the files would be mostly empty.
- New code commands would need to be added by Pardox's coders to handle off/on switching of PTI for games.
- All of the above would take time of full salary staff, thus impacting on the budget and taking resources away from other parts of the project. For something that will not be in the official release, this would seem a frivilous waste of resources.
- Modders will be able to do all that would be required (item 2 wouldn't be necessary in a mod) themsleves.
*thread closed*
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