The Stresemann Legacy - An ahistorical mod for Darkest Hour

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Minor problem -- you misspelt "crown" as "crone" in that latest screenshot.
Other than that, this mod looks lovely, and I'll be sure to try it out when it's in a near-complete state!
 

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Dissent not should present only the people's opinion. It also represents the resentments of the other parties. There will be no absolute monarchy. You also can't just introduce it without negotiate with the opposition.

So what does it represent? The opinion of the 5% of people who supported the DNVP?
 

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Again... In my mod, the NSDAP is much more weaker than in RTL. If you really want to know how I imagined the results of the 1932 elections, here my opinion:

SPD: 26% DNVP: 12% Z: 21% DVP: 17% DDP: 8% KPD: 6% WP: 3% NSDAP 3% Others: 4%

Not only the DNVP was monarchist. Also Zentrum, DVP and DDP were not complete against monarchy. Stresemann wanted to curtail the rights of the monarch and did not plan to abolish the monarchy.

The current coalation consists of: Zentrum, DVP, DDP, BVP and WP = 53%

The restoration of monarchy is only an suggestion to Wilhelm III to be represented to the 1937 presidential elections. If the people vote for him, it will be considered as a consent to the parliamentary monarchy. It is also way to avoid a president like Hindenburg was IRL.
 

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I am looking forward to play your mod :) .

Are you only creating new events for the Allies (with Germany) or are you going to create new events for USSR too?
 

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Maybe. But my idea is, that the imperial flag could be much more accepted if Germany gains Austria. Instead of an coup of Nazis, there could happen a democratic coup.
Considering the Black-Red-Gold was the flag and colours with the pan-German history (while Black-White-Red was more of a north German thing), wouldn't it be the other way around?
 

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Again... In my mod, the NSDAP is much more weaker than in RTL. If you really want to know how I imagined the results of the 1932 elections, here my opinion:

SPD: 26% DNVP: 12% Z: 21% DVP: 17% DDP: 8% KPD: 6% WP: 3% NSDAP 3% Others: 4%

Not only the DNVP was monarchist. Also Zentrum, DVP and DDP were not complete against monarchy. Stresemann wanted to curtail the rights of the monarch and did not plan to abolish the monarchy.

The current coalation consists of: Zentrum, DVP, DDP, BVP and WP = 53%

The restoration of monarchy is only an suggestion to Wilhelm III to be represented to the 1937 presidential elections. If the people vote for him, it will be considered as a consent to the parliamentary monarchy. It is also way to avoid a president like Hindenburg was IRL.
So constitutional monarchy based on the british system of government?
 

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Few comments on this great idea (quite possibly, some of them have been mentioned already, sorry if thats the case):

1) German-French & British cooperation should not be overly quick or optimistic. Its not that Nazis disliked French and envied British, its the Germans. Germans wanted Alsace-Lorraine and to be as influential as the British. Having Democracy in Germany will not cancel those ambitions. And, some of the things that Hitler did, like, cancelling and ignoring Verrsailles treaty was not his idea, it began with Stresemann, so, Hitler just moved those things to the extreme. Germany would still have violated Versailles treaty, after all, they already did that in 20s, by cooperating with Soviet Union. Here's a nice quote from Wikipedia on that:
"Alongside the Soviet Union's military and economic assistance, there was also political backing for Germany's aspirations. On July 19, 1920, Victor Kopp told the German Foreign Office that Soviet Russia wanted "a common frontier with Germany, south of Lithuania, approximately on a line with Białystok".[citation needed] In other words, Poland was to be partitioned once again. These promptings were repeated over the years, with the Soviets always anxious to stress that ideological differences between the two governments were of no account; all that mattered was that the two countries were pursuing the same foreign policy objectives."

So, while Democratic Germany would not be as aggressive as Nazi one, still, they would pursue: long-term goal of destabilizing Poland in order to regain corridor and re-establish to influence of Germany in the world. That does include slowly pocking at Versailles, searching for holes and testing Allies (Hitler did the same, but just far more bluntly and violently), thus, that includes looking for options to revive German armed forces. And, if UK and France were so sheeply and slow with Hitler, then how slow and ignorant could they be with democratic, diplomatic and calm Germany? I think, for Weimar or Democratic Germany to re-establish its armed forces *could* realistically take 5-10 more years, but they could have done it anyways. After all, France and Poland already in 20s new very well what tanks and plans were Germans making on the territory of USSR. So in 30s that would slowly leak into public knowledge, thats it - so why pretend that Germany can't build its military forces? Allow to do it openly, with some formal check-ins and insurances.
Also, with no Nazis in Berlin to claim "racial superiority over slavs", cooperation with Stalin should continue on and on. After all, Ferdinand Foch in 1919 did say "this is not peace, this is armistice for 20 years", so, there was general understanding that Germany will search for revenge against Allies. So its Federal Republic of Germany postWW2 that jumped at the chance to integrate itself into the Western military block, but not Kaiser or Weimar Germany. After all, it would be almost like asking for a military coup by Prussian military aristocrats.


2) Nazi Austrian or Austro-Hungarian empire. Idea is: how about Hitler trying to re-establish the Austrohungarian empire, but on ideology of Nazism. So, this new empire or Reich being of master-race (Germans) ruling over sub-races (slavs). Without expelling or killing the slavs (since that would be impossible to accomplish, because of the small number of Germans in such a country), but just "properly ruling" them. So European-scale colonialism, like Soviet Union in Eastern Europe. The question remains of Hungarians, since, Hungarians would agree to and fully join such venture only if Nazi ideology would include Finno-Ugric people as well. So, this empire would have cores only in Austria (if cooperating with Hungarians, with adjustments to ideology, then Hungarian cores as well, but such cooperation should be somewhat difficult to achieve) but all the conquered lands - Czechoslovakia, Croatia from Yugoslavia. Transylvania probably should be cores because of Hungarians living there and Sudets having Germans but the Slavic regions (Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnian) should not be Austrian cores.

And, maybe Nazi Austria should also have cores on all Germany, since, Austrian identity is kind of modern, postwar development.

3) Whats more, Nazi Austria should have either potential war later on (after getting alliance/puppet/full control in Hungary and Czechoslovakia) with Fascist Italy over the rule of Adriatic Sea coast, or, on the contrary, they could come to some agreement and divide Yugoslavia in alliance with Italy (and then have chance to backstab each other over the other few provinces). I assume no Allies would involve themselves with Fascist Italian-Nazi Austria war.

In fact, since historically it was the Hungary who was considered the "wild card" of the region, and thus, the Little Entente was formed against it, then in this scenario, it would be logical that this Little Entente is also formed to defend against Nazi Austria, and thus, Austria and Hungary are pushed to be very close allies, so, having them unite shouldn't be totally ASB.

4) So, at some point this re-established Nazi Austro-Hungarian Reich might either attack Democratic Germany or support Nazi side during the German civil war. However, openly attacking Democratic Germany should cause United Kingdom to offer help to Democratic Germany and thus, it might enter the Allies. Also, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenians, and other subjugated people should jump at the chance of rebellion against the "enlightened" rule of Hitler.

5) Italians attacking Greece and then needing help to finish it might be a good reason for Nazi Austrian Reich to attack or occupy the Yugoslavia or whatever would be left of it.

6) Maybe at some point, if there is no general war and Nazi Austrian Reich is alone in Axis, Mussolini could get overambitious and attack France alone, without involvement of the rest of the Allies? Meaning, Allies generally existed to stop potential German aggression. In case of Italian aggression, I assume British would watch closely, but likely would not enter the war, unless, the war grows and includes Germany or one of the German factions. This might be especially the case if French, with no need to re-arm because of re-emerging German army, would have weaker army than historically. Italy still should have big chance to be beaten, but since, it wouldn't really be a total war, then they should loose just colonies.

7) I wonder what German-Polish relations would look in this scenario. I assume that with a long a persistent persuasion, Polish would finally, peacefully agree to corridor to East Prussia. However, if Soviet Union would at some point offer Germany division of Poland (as it already did in 20s), then, depending on the relations with Allies, maybe Germany might agree to that, but, USSR would probably have to attack Poland first, with Germany joining like USSR did historically - in a few weeks time. However, having this historical event reversed in-game would actually look like a bit of a lack of imagination..
 

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Based on the first idea mentioned above, specifically with regards to German military development, maybe an option to allow Germany to openly expand its military could be taken in return for either a Reperations lump sum or if relations with the Western Allies reach a certain high point (Or after the Locarno Treaties IOTL)
 

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Agent Larkin, good idea.

Also, it shouldn't be difficult to disable building of anything except industry, infrastructure, transport ships, convoys, nuclear, rocket sites and militia (paramilitary Freikorps existed for years, so that would be realistic). Though, then again, building infantry, mountain, paratrooper, marine and motorized divisions should be switched on if the total number of land divisions goes below ~10. So, player should have the chance to, for example, disband all 10 allowed divisions of infantries and have 10 motorized divisions. Realistically speaking, each division was more than 10'000, so, that number probably should be lower.

An interesting quote from wiki on disloyalty of Reichswehr to the democratic regime: "Although technically in service of the republic, the army was predominantly officered by conservative reactionaries who were sympathetic to right wing organisations. Hans von Seeckt, the head of the Reichswehr, declared that the army was not loyal to the democratic republic, and would only defend it if it were in their interests. During the Kapp Putsch for example, the army refused to fire upon the rebels. However, as right wing as the army was, it hesitated to assist the Nazis, whom they mostly viewed as thugs. The SA was the Reichswehr's main opponent throughout its existence, as they saw them as a threat to their existence, and the army fired at them during the Beerhall Putsch. Upon the establishment of the SS over the SA in 1929, the Reichswehr took a softer look upon the Nazis since the SS seemed more respectable, and openly favoured order over anarchy."
 

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Hi Ithron, thanks for you ideas. My fault is, that I have not written that I changed something in the atl (alternative timeline). Hitler is no more a politician in Austria due to his desertion in WWI. So Hitler was arrested in Austria after his expulsion in 1933. In Austria, Hitler (in OTL) was a nobody until he rose to power in Germany. In the mod, Hitler stays in Austria because of entry ban in Germany after he served the prison term. If a civil war breaks out in Germany, Hitler can try to come back and take part of the nationalist revolution. If the nazis fail, Hitler either will be shoot or can search for an exile. So a nazi Austria path is currently excluded.

Since its much harder to find a good reason that could provoke a globar war, I am planning to design the soviets more aggressive than in OTL. For expample a higher chance that the soviet-japanese border disputes can escalate. Another possibility is, that the USSR tries to expand their sphere of influrence by using the Domino theory to destabilise the Eastern European countries. Italy is a part of the mod I have to think about what I could do with.
 

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Hi Ithron, thanks for you ideas. My fault is, that I have not written that I changed something in the atl (alternative timeline). Hitler is no more a politician in Austria due to his desertion in WWI. So Hitler was arrested in Austria after his expulsion in 1933. In Austria, Hitler (in OTL) was a nobody until he rose to power in Germany. In the mod, Hitler stays in Austria because of entry ban in Germany after he served the prison term. If a civil war breaks out in Germany, Hitler can try to come back and take part of the nationalist revolution. If the nazis fail, Hitler either will be shoot or can search for an exile. So a nazi Austria path is currently excluded.

Since its much harder to find a good reason that could provoke a globar war, I am planning to design the soviets more aggressive than in OTL. For expample a higher chance that the soviet-japanese border disputes can escalate. Another possibility is, that the USSR tries to expand their sphere of influrence by using the Domino theory to destabilise the Eastern European countries. Italy is a part of the mod I have to think about what I could do with.

Well with what you mentioned there I do have an idea, but feel free to ignore it if you don't like it.

If the SU is being more aggressive chances are both of the Western Allies would want a strong buffer state in Central Europe, but thats a bit of a given. However another factor could be that Britain would want a strong ally in Asia so as to help if the SU tried to take, or stir up, any trouble in India, like real life.

So it could lead to the British and Japanese reaffirming their alliance at the time and thats how your global conflict could kick off, with the SU escalation a border problem to full on war with Japan.