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I'm interested in how the various AI mods play, so I watched the three timelapses and wrote down the score, pops and fleet power of the top player at the 100, 200 and 300 year mark, and graphed them up.
There's definitely something wrong with the vanilla AI. It's under-aggressive, and seems to have a much smaller fleet than its number of pops would otherwise indicate.
Great work!
SEEING the difference between the Standard AI and the Modded AIs really shows the great work the AI modders do. WOW!
If you look at the top ten, even more unveils. The difference between Starnet and Glavius seems that Glavius creates better on average empires while Starnet creates slightly less powerful on average empires but a much more powerful top dog, probably due to the increased war probability from its extra aggressiveness.
So to play against a "final boss" nightmare opponent, it's Starnet. To play in a very dangerous galaxy, choose Glavius.
It's true for Top Dog decisiveness, it seems slightly less strong on average though, due to being a little overaggressive. The view broadens if you look at the top ten, or all empires.
StarNet and Glavius seems roughly on par for the most part. StarNet higher fleet power is because the mod's AI is designed to be much more aggressive than normal whereas Glavius AI is intended to have a normal level of aggression and just make the AI better overall.
Thank You a lot for these interesting posts again
Recovering slightly by playing a bit myself again, so I'd expect to have some revelation for another AI tournament, including most importantly your proposals, in the next 1-2 weeks. A Stellaris community manager has also contacted me about the tournaments, so we'll see if we can broaden the field a bit.
Let's use the "summer break" they take from patching relentlessly
"Altarnie Valaina"
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key="Altarnie Valaina"
ship_prefix=""
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_05"
name="Eldar"
plural="Eldar"
adjective="Eldar"
species_bio="The Eldar empire was one of the greatest the galaxy had ever seen and many thosuands of years ago it fought the Cybrex for dominion over the entire galaxy. But so fierce were the battles that both empires were greately weakened and when the lesser powers of the galaxy banded together they managed to defeat them both. *** Altarnie Valaina is the closest thing to a true heir to the ancient Eldar empire, though much diminished. Aira Dor was the old capital and though it is but a relic of its old glory, the ancient ruins are still a sight to behold. Now the high Eldar how rediscovered FTL and are ready to retake their rightful place among the stars."
name_list="HUM1"
trait="trait_venerable"
trait="trait_talented"
trait="trait_quick_learners"
trait="trait_slow_breeders"
trait="trait_nonadaptive"
}
name="Altarnie Valaina"
adjective="Valaina"
authority="auth_imperial"
government="gov_divine_empire"
planet_name="Aira Dor"
planet_class="pc_tropical"
system_name="Aira El"
initializer=""
graphical_culture="humanoid_01"
city_graphical_culture="humanoid_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="domination"
file="domination_3.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="vertical.dds"
}
colors={
"red_orange"
"yellow"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=female
name="Valatari"
portrait="humanoid_05_female_01"
texture=0
hair=22
clothes=8
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_fanatic_befrienders_room"
spawn_enabled=no
ethic="ethic_authoritarian"
ethic="ethic_fanatic_spiritualist"
civics={
"civic_imperial_cult"
"civic_cutthroat_politics"
}
origin="origin_remnants"
}
"Dagorquendi Aranye"
={
key="Dagorquendi Aranye"
ship_prefix=""
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_05"
name="Eldar"
plural="Eldar"
adjective="Eldar"
species_bio="The Eldar empire was one of the greatest the galaxy had ever seen and many thosuands of years ago it fought the Cybrex for dominion over the entire galaxy. But so fierce were the battles that both empires were greately weakened and when the lesser powers of the galaxy banded together they managed to defeat them both. *** The kingdom of the Dagorquendi is one of the successors of that great ancient power. Dagorquendor was where the star fleet of the eldar had its headquarters and though it was bombed very nearly int the stone age on the surface the high command survived in underground bunkers. From there they repopulated the planet, though it took many generations before they could assemble the first new starships. But now that work has been done and the Dagorquendi are ready to conquer the galaxy once more."
name_list="HUM1"
trait="trait_venerable"
trait="trait_talented"
trait="trait_strong"
trait="trait_unruly"
trait="trait_slow_breeders"
}
name="Dagorquendi Aranye"
adjective="Dagorquendo"
authority="auth_imperial"
government="gov_martial_empire"
planet_name="Dagorquendor"
planet_class="pc_tropical"
system_name="Dagor-El"
initializer=""
graphical_culture="humanoid_01"
city_graphical_culture="humanoid_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="human"
file="flag_human_4.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="v.dds"
}
colors={
"red"
"dark_blue"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=male
name="Ancalagon"
portrait="humanoid_05_male_01"
texture=0
hair=10
clothes=6
ruler_title="Tar"
heir_title="Taryon"
ruler_title_female="Tari"
heir_title_female="TaAriel"
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_democratic_crusaders_room"
spawn_enabled=yes
ethic="ethic_fanatic_militarist"
ethic="ethic_spiritualist"
civics={
"civic_distinguished_admiralty"
"civic_warrior_culture"
}
origin="origin_remnants"
}
"Mormegil"
={
key="Mormegil"
ship_prefix="ISS"
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_05"
name="Eldar"
plural="Eldar"
adjective="Eldar"
species_bio="The Eldar empire was one of the greatest the galaxy had ever seen and many thosuands of years ago it fought the Cybrex for dominion over the entire galaxy. But so fierce were the battles that both empires were greately weakened and when the lesser empires banded together they managed to defeat them both. *** The Mormegil or 'Black Sword' is one of several heirs of the ancient Eldar empire. They are a bandit kingdom that has adapted to dwelling in space habitats and will terrorize anyone within its reach."
name_list="HUM1"
trait="trait_void_dweller_1"
trait="trait_venerable"
trait="trait_natural_engineers"
trait="trait_unruly"
trait="trait_quarrelsome"
}
name="Mormegil"
adjective="Mormegil"
authority="auth_dictatorial"
government="gov_bandit_kingdom"
planet_name="Talion"
planet_class="pc_continental"
system_name="Anganor"
initializer="void_dweller_system"
graphical_culture="mammalian_01"
city_graphical_culture="mammalian_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="ornate"
file="flag_ornate_20.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="new_dawn.dds"
}
colors={
"black"
"red"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=female
name="Rhethana"
portrait="humanoid_05_female_01"
texture=0
hair=41
clothes=4
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_metalheads_room"
spawn_enabled=yes
ethic="ethic_xenophobe"
ethic="ethic_fanatic_militarist"
civics={
"civic_barbaric_despoilers"
"civic_warrior_culture"
}
origin="origin_void_dwellers"
}
"Gardeners of the Dreamflower"
={
key="Gardeners of the Dreamflower"
ship_prefix=""
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_05"
name="Eldar"
plural="Eldar"
adjective="Eldar"
species_bio="The Eldar empire was one of the greatest the galaxy had ever seen and many thosuands of years ago it fought the Cybrex for dominion over the entire galaxy. But so fierce were the battles that both empires were greately weakened and when the lesser powers of the galaxy banded together they managed to defeat them both. *** The Gardeners are one fragment of that ancient empire. Their homeworld was an artificially constructed paradise that functioned as a resort world and the Gardeners are the descendants of the tourists and staff. They have however forgotten their past or perhaps their memory of it has been twisted beyond recognition. They are a highly religious society and believe they have been ordained by the Divine to save the galaxy by riding of the 'demons' that have corrupted it (other species) and turning every planet back into a beautiful paradise."
name_list="PLANT3"
trait="trait_venerable"
trait="trait_agrarian"
trait="trait_unruly"
trait="trait_slow_breeders"
}
name="Gardeners of the Dreamflower"
adjective="Gardener"
authority="auth_dictatorial"
government="gov_purity_order"
planet_name="Lothlorien"
planet_class="pc_continental"
system_name="Loth El"
initializer=""
graphical_culture="plantoid_01"
city_graphical_culture="plantoid_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="ornate"
file="flag_ornate_6.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="circle.dds"
}
colors={
"dark_green"
"light_green"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=female
name="Belladonna Linnaeus"
portrait="humanoid_05_female_01"
texture=0
hair=22
clothes=5
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_spiritual_seekers_room"
spawn_enabled=yes
ethic="ethic_fanatic_xenophobe"
ethic="ethic_spiritualist"
civics={
"civic_fanatic_purifiers"
"civic_exalted_priesthood"
}
origin="origin_life_seeded"
}
Some strategy notes:
- Altarnie Valaina is designed to be the ultimate edict empire with -50% edict costs and +2 edict capacity.
- The Dagorquendi are a warrior culture on a relic world. If they turn it into an ecumenopolis the entertainment arcology will give them lots of duelists for naval cap.
- The Mormegil aren't really all that great mechanically because they need alloys for both fleet and habitats. But space marauder elves are a too fun concept to pass.
- The Gardeners are terribly designed but a blast to play RP-wise. As Fanatic Purifiers they can't absorb other species for colonizing non-Gaia worlds and as spiritualists they're anti-robot.
"Ma-da Ul'a"
={
key="Ma-da Ul'a"
ship_prefix=""
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_04"
name="Dumu-Gal"
plural="Di-Gal"
adjective="Dumu-Gal"
species_bio="The Dumu-Gal or 'Firstborn' have been nurtured for millenia by one of the great ancient civilizations to become their heralds on the galactic stage. The many tribes of ancient days have now unified into a single state led by the wisest among them, the Ma-Da Ul'a or 'Realm of the Shining Water'. After having recieved the gift of FTL technology the Firstborn are now ready to explore the stars and aid the development of the many primitive civilizations much like they themselves have been helped by the ancients."
name_list="HUM3"
trait="trait_charismatic"
}
name="Ma-da Ul'a"
adjective="Ul'a"
authority="auth_dictatorial"
government="gov_elective_monarchy"
planet_name="Ul'a"
planet_class="pc_ocean"
system_name="Utu"
initializer=""
graphical_culture="molluscoid_01"
city_graphical_culture="molluscoid_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="ornate"
file="flag_ornate_23.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="sinus.dds"
}
colors={
"blue"
"dark_blue"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=female
name="Innana"
portrait="humanoid_04_female_01"
texture=0
hair=0
clothes=0
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_harmonious_hierarchy_room"
spawn_enabled=yes
ethic="ethic_xenophile"
ethic="ethic_fanatic_pacifist"
civics={
"civic_philosopher_king"
"civic_diplomatic_corps"
}
origin="origin_scion"
}
Fun fact: to name this empire I digged up a lexicon for ancient Sumerian. Scions are overpowered with their free 5k fleet in the early game, so they've been made to be fanatic pacifists.
"Altarnie Valaina"
={
key="Altarnie Valaina"
ship_prefix=""
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_05"
name="Eldar"
plural="Eldar"
adjective="Eldar"
species_bio="The Eldar empire was one of the greatest the galaxy had ever seen and many thosuands of years ago it fought the Cybrex for dominion over the entire galaxy. But so fierce were the battles that both empires were greately weakened and when the lesser powers of the galaxy banded together they managed to defeat them both. *** Altarnie Valaina is the closest thing to a true heir to the ancient Eldar empire, though much diminished. Aira Dor was the old capital and though it is but a relic of its old glory, the ancient ruins are still a sight to behold. Now the high Eldar how rediscovered FTL and are ready to retake their rightful place among the stars."
name_list="HUM1"
trait="trait_venerable"
trait="trait_talented"
trait="trait_quick_learners"
trait="trait_slow_breeders"
trait="trait_nonadaptive"
}
name="Altarnie Valaina"
adjective="Valaina"
authority="auth_imperial"
government="gov_divine_empire"
planet_name="Aira Dor"
planet_class="pc_tropical"
system_name="Aira El"
initializer=""
graphical_culture="humanoid_01"
city_graphical_culture="humanoid_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="domination"
file="domination_3.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="vertical.dds"
}
colors={
"red_orange"
"yellow"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=female
name="Valatari"
portrait="humanoid_05_female_01"
texture=0
hair=22
clothes=8
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_fanatic_befrienders_room"
spawn_enabled=no
ethic="ethic_authoritarian"
ethic="ethic_fanatic_spiritualist"
civics={
"civic_imperial_cult"
"civic_cutthroat_politics"
}
origin="origin_remnants"
}
"Dagorquendi Aranye"
={
key="Dagorquendi Aranye"
ship_prefix=""
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_05"
name="Eldar"
plural="Eldar"
adjective="Eldar"
species_bio="The Eldar empire was one of the greatest the galaxy had ever seen and many thosuands of years ago it fought the Cybrex for dominion over the entire galaxy. But so fierce were the battles that both empires were greately weakened and when the lesser powers of the galaxy banded together they managed to defeat them both. *** The kingdom of the Dagorquendi is one of the successors of that great ancient power. Dagorquendor was where the star fleet of the eldar had its headquarters and though it was bombed very nearly int the stone age on the surface the high command survived in underground bunkers. From there they repopulated the planet, though it took many generations before they could assemble the first new starships. But now that work has been done and the Dagorquendi are ready to conquer the galaxy once more."
name_list="HUM1"
trait="trait_venerable"
trait="trait_talented"
trait="trait_strong"
trait="trait_unruly"
trait="trait_slow_breeders"
}
name="Dagorquendi Aranye"
adjective="Dagorquendo"
authority="auth_imperial"
government="gov_martial_empire"
planet_name="Dagorquendor"
planet_class="pc_tropical"
system_name="Dagor-El"
initializer=""
graphical_culture="humanoid_01"
city_graphical_culture="humanoid_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="human"
file="flag_human_4.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="v.dds"
}
colors={
"red"
"dark_blue"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=male
name="Ancalagon"
portrait="humanoid_05_male_01"
texture=0
hair=10
clothes=6
ruler_title="Tar"
heir_title="Taryon"
ruler_title_female="Tari"
heir_title_female="TaAriel"
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_democratic_crusaders_room"
spawn_enabled=yes
ethic="ethic_fanatic_militarist"
ethic="ethic_spiritualist"
civics={
"civic_distinguished_admiralty"
"civic_warrior_culture"
}
origin="origin_remnants"
}
"Mormegil"
={
key="Mormegil"
ship_prefix="ISS"
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_05"
name="Eldar"
plural="Eldar"
adjective="Eldar"
species_bio="The Eldar empire was one of the greatest the galaxy had ever seen and many thosuands of years ago it fought the Cybrex for dominion over the entire galaxy. But so fierce were the battles that both empires were greately weakened and when the lesser empires banded together they managed to defeat them both. *** The Mormegil or 'Black Sword' is one of several heirs of the ancient Eldar empire. They are a bandit kingdom that has adapted to dwelling in space habitats and will terrorize anyone within its reach."
name_list="HUM1"
trait="trait_void_dweller_1"
trait="trait_venerable"
trait="trait_natural_engineers"
trait="trait_unruly"
trait="trait_quarrelsome"
}
name="Mormegil"
adjective="Mormegil"
authority="auth_dictatorial"
government="gov_bandit_kingdom"
planet_name="Talion"
planet_class="pc_continental"
system_name="Anganor"
initializer="void_dweller_system"
graphical_culture="mammalian_01"
city_graphical_culture="mammalian_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="ornate"
file="flag_ornate_20.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="new_dawn.dds"
}
colors={
"black"
"red"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=female
name="Rhethana"
portrait="humanoid_05_female_01"
texture=0
hair=41
clothes=4
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_metalheads_room"
spawn_enabled=yes
ethic="ethic_xenophobe"
ethic="ethic_fanatic_militarist"
civics={
"civic_barbaric_despoilers"
"civic_warrior_culture"
}
origin="origin_void_dwellers"
}
"Gardeners of the Dreamflower"
={
key="Gardeners of the Dreamflower"
ship_prefix=""
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_05"
name="Eldar"
plural="Eldar"
adjective="Eldar"
species_bio="The Eldar empire was one of the greatest the galaxy had ever seen and many thosuands of years ago it fought the Cybrex for dominion over the entire galaxy. But so fierce were the battles that both empires were greately weakened and when the lesser powers of the galaxy banded together they managed to defeat them both. *** The Gardeners are one fragment of that ancient empire. Their homeworld was an artificially constructed paradise that functioned as a resort world and the Gardeners are the descendants of the tourists and staff. They have however forgotten their past or perhaps their memory of it has been twisted beyond recognition. They are a highly religious society and believe they have been ordained by the Divine to save the galaxy by riding of the 'demons' that have corrupted it (other species) and turning every planet back into a beautiful paradise."
name_list="PLANT3"
trait="trait_venerable"
trait="trait_agrarian"
trait="trait_unruly"
trait="trait_slow_breeders"
}
name="Gardeners of the Dreamflower"
adjective="Gardener"
authority="auth_dictatorial"
government="gov_purity_order"
planet_name="Lothlorien"
planet_class="pc_continental"
system_name="Loth El"
initializer=""
graphical_culture="plantoid_01"
city_graphical_culture="plantoid_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="ornate"
file="flag_ornate_6.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="circle.dds"
}
colors={
"dark_green"
"light_green"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=female
name="Belladonna Linnaeus"
portrait="humanoid_05_female_01"
texture=0
hair=22
clothes=5
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_spiritual_seekers_room"
spawn_enabled=yes
ethic="ethic_fanatic_xenophobe"
ethic="ethic_spiritualist"
civics={
"civic_fanatic_purifiers"
"civic_exalted_priesthood"
}
origin="origin_life_seeded"
}
Some strategy notes:
- Altarnie Valaina is designed to be the ultimate edict empire with -50% edict costs and +2 edict capacity.
- The Dagorquendi are a warrior culture on a relic world. If they turn it into an ecumenopolis the entertainment arcology will give them lots of duelists for naval cap.
- The Mormegil aren't really all that great mechanically because they need alloys for both fleet and habitats. But space marauder elves are a too fun concept to pass.
- The Gardeners are terribly designed but a blast to play RP-wise. As Fanatic Purifiers they can't absorb other species for colonizing non-Gaia worlds and as spiritualists they're anti-robot.
"Ma-da Ul'a"
={
key="Ma-da Ul'a"
ship_prefix=""
species={
class="HUM"
portrait="humanoid_04"
name="Dumu-Gal"
plural="Di-Gal"
adjective="Dumu-Gal"
species_bio="The Dumu-Gal or 'Firstborn' have been nurtured for millenia by one of the great ancient civilizations to become their heralds on the galactic stage. The many tribes of ancient days have now unified into a single state led by the wisest among them, the Ma-Da Ul'a or 'Realm of the Shining Water'. After having recieved the gift of FTL technology the Firstborn are now ready to explore the stars and aid the development of the many primitive civilizations much like they themselves have been helped by the ancients."
name_list="HUM3"
trait="trait_charismatic"
}
name="Ma-da Ul'a"
adjective="Ul'a"
authority="auth_dictatorial"
government="gov_elective_monarchy"
planet_name="Ul'a"
planet_class="pc_ocean"
system_name="Utu"
initializer=""
graphical_culture="molluscoid_01"
city_graphical_culture="molluscoid_01"
empire_flag={
icon={
category="ornate"
file="flag_ornate_23.dds"
}
background={
category="backgrounds"
file="sinus.dds"
}
colors={
"blue"
"dark_blue"
"null"
"null"
}
}
ruler={
gender=female
name="Innana"
portrait="humanoid_04_female_01"
texture=0
hair=0
clothes=0
leader_class="ruler"
}
spawn_as_fallen=no
ignore_portrait_duplication=no
room="personality_harmonious_hierarchy_room"
spawn_enabled=yes
ethic="ethic_xenophile"
ethic="ethic_fanatic_pacifist"
civics={
"civic_philosopher_king"
"civic_diplomatic_corps"
}
origin="origin_scion"
}
Fun fact: to name this empire I digged up a lexicon for ancient Sumerian. Scions are overpowered with their free 5k fleet in the early game, so they've been made to be fanatic pacifists.
Love the research and the Empires. All in
Preparing to start soon, and then looking into the next AI Tournament. I like that 2 empires per person that are antagonists idea, it's pretty neat
Glavius, at least, appears to also be up to date on Paradox Plaza, but there are multiple versions of it there and when I went looking the up-to-date version was the third one I found.
