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Heres the story, I am Germany and friend is USSR. Its 1962 and my armies are begining to crack all along the eastern front, well to be more precise Hungary is collapsing, and the Soviets are driving on Vienna! I am holding them on the old Polish-Russian frontier. At the start of the war, the second one to be exact, he had 777 divisions about 29 armored and 20 something mot. I had 32 armored, 18 mech, 6 para, 9 mtn, 4 HQs, 12 air cav, and about 175 infantry divisions. We have both researched all there is to research. We have had naval battles on all the oceans of the earth, I mean Germania. I have 28 fighters and 32 int, 12 tac, 32 strat, 3 trans, and 150 warships of all types. He controls most of Asia, has a powerful ottoman empire with 40 modern divs. He had austrailia, but is losing it to partisans and my spanish allies. He lost a large army in Africa after nearly reaching the atlantic, but thanks to the navy he was cut off from supplies and he eventually lost about 40 divisions. He has India, French Indo-China, A powerful Brasil and Ecuador as allies. The Japanese have been able to hold him so far, although they lost Menguko to the Mongols, and are hanging by a thread to Burma. In between our own wars I set out for N. America and finally carried out Sea Lion. While I was heading for N. America the Americans retook England and I lost 18 divisions! Sad I know. He saw I had landed in Canada, and began a race for the big pie, but after all was said and done New England was turned into a nuclear wasteland, and I owned the continent to Alaska and up to Nevada, and south to Mexico City. My resource problem was now solved, and I topped 3800 manpower. When I decided to strike him down for good, I launched a massive nuclear assault on what I was hoping was the base for his nukes. I knew the gamble paid off when I got a call a minute later and just heard the phone banging on something hard and him yelling. But that also meant I was out of nukes. My question is this, I have kicked him out of N. America and have him surronded in Chiapas. But the partisans are horrible in America. I have a small force of air cav units running all over the continent putting down the revolts. For some reason all of our leaders begin to die when they engage in combat. Now all i have left is some lt. generals in France waiting for that invasion that never came. Lvl 7 Rommel, Guderian and others are all dead!!! All leaders dying! His are too, but that was all that was holding him, now in this last year of constant war, I am down to 1600 manpower and he is supposedly in the 5000s!!! I keep hitting his reactor with logistical strikes, and i guess he forgot about mine, cause Im still buidling nukes, but only every few months! We have exhanged nukes all along the old polish border with Russia and so its all one big roadless wasteland, but remarkably the forts we both built have been rebuilt. Like I said he is advancing on Vienna, and I have built several more mtn divs for the defense of the Alps, but Iam about to lose 45 valuable Hungarian divs! I dont think I can last another year of this type of war. I've been setting traps for him, and the buffon actually fell for them a couple times, hes lost countless divisions, but I can't seem to inflict enough damage to him! I've been able to take a survey of all his top industrial sites, and I can systematically nuke them, but his IC doesnt seem to lose much steam, and the nukes required for such an assault would take years to build? Keep in mind he does have substantial amounts of troops being tied down in Asia, Mexico, Israel, and the old Polish frontier. Any comments, thoughts, advice? And yes I understand its my fault for allowing the USSR to be around for this long, but had I taken him out early in the game I would not have taken out the USA, fought naval actions all over the world and so on.
 

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With 250 Divisions against 800 or so, you can't really expect to hold him off... especially since the German Land Doctrine path gives nothing new after 1942 or so, while the Russian Land Doctrine path keeps improving.
 
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your leaders are dying because they reach their natural life spans,

and about land doctrine blue emu is right as always,

in my opinion you played well but you need more than 250 divisions,

if you could cut his oil supply you will have a chance, but baku, mousul and persia will be enough for him, attack his oil supply.
 

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MacBeth1 said:
Strange nickname. Nomen est omen I would say. You can't win against Russia. Napoleon learned it, Hitler learned it, you will learn it as well ...
Gah! I hate it when people never mentions our Charles XII in there! We tried to conquer Russia and we lost cause of the winter first! And our war lasted for 21 years! Napoleon and Hitler were copycats!

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shadow_kotten said:
We tried to conquer Russia and we lost...

Losers! Charles should have RTFM!
 

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blue emu said:
Losers! Charles should have RTFM!
There's a manual on how to invade Russia? :rolleyes:
 
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Gah! I hate it when people never mentions our Charles XII in there! We tried to conquer Russia and we lost cause of the winter first! And our war lasted for 21 years! Napoleon and Hitler were copycats!

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Yeah, so welcome to the Looser's Club!
 

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shadow_kotten said:
There's a manual on how to invade Russia? :rolleyes:

Maybe not back then in 1700...
 

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To my critics

Yes, I recognize that I waited too long to attack him. But this was the second war we had, The first one war was back in 1943? That one lasted till 47. He annexed Rumania and that was it. Besides, I was low on manpower at that point, not to mention resources! He sued for peace and I just had to jump on it.

Had grammar and paragraph structuring been part of my plea for advice or comments I would have said so, besides forums are a great way to laugh at the products of our school system, I mean look at the large amounts of errors everywhere else! So please no "paragraph" comments.

The question about my leaders dying can't just be answered with the simple answer, "they're getting old so they die!" please, this game is full of random events, how are you going to tell me that every single time, late in the game, our generals go into a fight they come out dead? When at the same time I have old guarders (presumably WW1 vets) holding quiet zones, and they are still alive? I can't even chose new leaders with low skills to take command of new or existing formations. There is no one in the list to chose from!

The name Die Scheisse is jargon thats used around here, or at least in my group of friends. Think of "thats the shit man" is another way of saying thats awesome. And the nickname has served me well in other games. Which brings me to the question, why has no one given any useful advice? What I have laid out is more of a cold war type scenario. With nukes, jets, and large formations of tanks and infantry. My small numbers where more than holding him, but now that the leaders are all dying he is simply overwhelming me. I don't think the doctrines comment is worth the time it took to type it. My infantry has a 110 organization with high numbers for all the other relevant categories, his infantry has an organization level of 77. The numbers are similar for all other land formations. I don't know what level organization he has for his air units, however that isn't much of a problem since I control the air. His navy does have higher organization somehow, but that also doesn't matter since most if not all of it is at the bottom of the ocean.

My strategic bombing campaign has become sporadic since I am now dealing with campaigns all over the world. But I am trying to hinder his fuel supplies and rare materials, but at the same time I don't see that it matters much since I have over 150 IC more than him, and resources as well, thanks to the good old USA. So I can out produce him, except that he has 4000 more manpower than me. This is my dilema.

If nothing else I like going down in a blaze of glory. Ill nuke everything he sets foot in. And it doesn't matter that he may or may not read this post. I have this problem where I have a brilliant plan and I just have to tell everyone, and then do the utmost to bring the plan to fruition. That way the victory is so much more sweeter knowing your enemy knew exactly what you where going to do and still lost!
 

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Re: Leaders dying

In Doomsday, Leaders are no longer automatically removed when they reach their Death Date... instead, from that point on they have a chance of getting killed in each combat that they take part in.

The figure I saw quoted was 3%... but I don't know if that is per combat, or per combat round (ie: per hour of combat).

Re: Doctrines and ORG

In fact, the mention of Doctrines (ie: your Doctrines stopping in mid-war, while his continue to get better) was not irrelevant. ORG is only half of the equation. The other half is Morale.

Your ORG is higher than his... which allows you to win one battle, at the cost of most of your ORG. Then the other half kicks in... his Morale is WAY higher than yours... which means that his units will be back at full ORG while yours will only have recovered about half their ORG loss.

After he fights two or three losing battles against you, he will start winning (because you will be near zero ORG, and he will be near full ORG). Then he starts steam-rolling you. This is the whole basis of the Russian strategy... at least the way I play the USSR.
 

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Interesting, I wasn't aware of the effect morale had on org. And so it makes sense that after he attacks my 18 divisions 3-4 times with Titanium fists of 45 divisions from 2 or 3 sides I would begin to wear down to nothing. But wouldn't his losses be so high that sustaining a drive of that magnitude for so long would eventually wear him down to nothing aswell? Yes my manpower was at a lower level than his to begin with, but wave after wave of attacks should at do some type of horrible damage. I especially would have thought that Jodl as my chief of the (army?) would help minimize that type of damage. Since I am now decidedly on the defensive I think it would be a good idea to switch from von Kluge to Witzleben as chief of staff, I believe he adds a bonus to the defense.

I am playing on original HOI2 not DD, but I still don't get why all my leaders are dying in a single battle. So for this games the chance of dying in combat is about 100%. But thanks for clearing things up.
 
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I have been using this tactic that always make the USSR collapse....i called it "Goering's Gamble" also know as GG. First you need the best air transport you have, it's highly recomended to use Me-232 due to it's long range of action.

me323_01.jpg


The right attack shoould consist on 3 paratroopers divided into 3 divisions, so they cover as much territory they can. Also is recomendedto have commanders with commando trait.
The attack should be through a hard place to intercept/detect, such as Greece, Crete or Bulgaria. For better surpirse the atatck should be at dawn. The objetives are 3: Tiblisi, Erevan and Baku(this last one produces 66 oil per day!)

CAUCASUS.GIF


When the 3 air attacks conclude, move your paratroopers in diferent directions to cover up more ground, liberate Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia for 2 reasons: they will supply your units there and will produce militia and star to expand themselves.

An airport should be captured to attack another long objetive or to flee to Germany if is necessary.

Now USSR will star to send armies to the Caucasus to destroy Goering's troops, this will take preassure from East front, if you want send more paratroopers, or even troops through the Dardanels. Azeribajan will start to pump oil like a crazy texan so take advantage from it(IT'S YOUR PUPPET!!!)

Well, now is up to you....are you going to dissapoint Reichmarchall Goering??

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