I've been reading with great pleasure this forum for months now, as I'm an old player of the boardgame Europa Universalis. As you can imagine, I'm really impatient to have the computer version. Thank to all those who write on the forum and the AAR's. Reading it is the only thing that can make me wait.
Because I'm an old player of the BG, I've modified many rules and datas. Even if the initial boardgame was an impressive amount of knowledges, with time, I found a few historical mistakes. As much as I've seen on this site, most of these mistakes have been corrected.
Can someone tell me if all have been corrected ? If not, is it still possible ? I know the testing is advanced and many things can't be changed now. But historical accuracy is so important to all wargamers that I think it can be useful to correct even minor details. I must also say that I'm not an historian, so I can have made mistakes. Excuse me if I did, and I hope students or historians that read it will correct me. Thank you in advance.
1/Gelderland : in 1492, Duchy of Gelderland was independant and was only annexed to Nederland in 1543 by Charles V. On the map, Gelderland correspond approximately to the Holland province.
The province called The Hague could have been named Holland for more accuracy. The province called Friesen represent also independant countries, Duchy of Friesen and possession of the bishop of Utrecht. In the BG, all the Nederland was said to be part of Spain, but it wasn't at all. North-eastern provinces were independant and western and southern Nederland were part of Habsburg not Spain.
Could you tell me if there is a possibility in the game for Habsburgs not to unite with Spain. Because in 1492, the union of these crowns were not on the way. Engagements between the children of Maximilian and infants of Spain (those who conducted to union under their son Charles V) were only celebrated in 1495. In fact, the negotiations with Spain about the weddings began in 1491. But can you imagine the way european history would have gone if Habsburgs would not have reigned over Spain ? And in 1492 it was possible.
2/Raguse : in 1492 Raguse wasn't anymore under sovereignty of Venice, as the BG says. I'm not sure if it was under Hungary rule or independant yet. I think the first. And it became independant in the first years of the XVIth. Then it accept protection of the Turks for the duration of the game.
3/Georgia : as much as I know, Georgia was independant in 1492. The BG says it was under Persia rule. Can somebody who knows this country tell me ?
4/Roussillon, Franche-Comté and Artois: these 3 provinces were annexed by Louis XI of France at the treaty of Arras in 1482 and belongs to France at the beginning of the game in 1492. The BG makes them all spanish.
But when Charles VIII of France began to claim for Napoly, he decided to calm Empire and Spain. So he sold back Artois and Franche-Comté to the Habsburgs and Roussillon to Aragon in 1493. But imagine Charles VIII would not have claimed for Napoli ? Or of he had given something else to his enemies to calm them down ?
5/In 1492, there were many independants bishoprics in Europe, particularly in the Empire. The BG ignores them.
I decided to make new countries and new rules fot these very special countries (no offensive war, no armies, possibility of financial support to crusade or Pope, etc, even a special rule about election of the Holy Roman Empire).
The most important ones represent nearly whole provinces in the game : Salzburg (under protectorate of Habsburgs but not annexed), Liège/Luik (boundaries of the bishopric of Luik is close to those of the province Hainaut on the map, even if the name should be changed of course), Munster, Köln, Mainz.
6/Anspach : in 1492, most of this province (north of Bayern) belonged to Pfalz. The BG says it belonged to Bayern.
7/Kaffa : the province of Kaffa (southern Crimea) belonged to Turks, not, as BG says, to Khan of Crimea.
8/Götland : belonged to Denmark, not Sweden in 1492.
9/Ireland : in 1492, only the province of Dublin (Pale) was really under control of England. The suzerainty was only nominal on the rest of Ireland. The BG made it all english.
10/Istria : most of the country called Istria on the map was dominated by Hungary in 1492.The BG says it belonged to Venice but only a little piece of it did.
That's all folks. I hope it wasn't boring for you to read all these details. Hope also there wasn't too much mistakes in it. Thank for those who will answer me and sorry for my english.
Because I'm an old player of the BG, I've modified many rules and datas. Even if the initial boardgame was an impressive amount of knowledges, with time, I found a few historical mistakes. As much as I've seen on this site, most of these mistakes have been corrected.
Can someone tell me if all have been corrected ? If not, is it still possible ? I know the testing is advanced and many things can't be changed now. But historical accuracy is so important to all wargamers that I think it can be useful to correct even minor details. I must also say that I'm not an historian, so I can have made mistakes. Excuse me if I did, and I hope students or historians that read it will correct me. Thank you in advance.
1/Gelderland : in 1492, Duchy of Gelderland was independant and was only annexed to Nederland in 1543 by Charles V. On the map, Gelderland correspond approximately to the Holland province.
The province called The Hague could have been named Holland for more accuracy. The province called Friesen represent also independant countries, Duchy of Friesen and possession of the bishop of Utrecht. In the BG, all the Nederland was said to be part of Spain, but it wasn't at all. North-eastern provinces were independant and western and southern Nederland were part of Habsburg not Spain.
Could you tell me if there is a possibility in the game for Habsburgs not to unite with Spain. Because in 1492, the union of these crowns were not on the way. Engagements between the children of Maximilian and infants of Spain (those who conducted to union under their son Charles V) were only celebrated in 1495. In fact, the negotiations with Spain about the weddings began in 1491. But can you imagine the way european history would have gone if Habsburgs would not have reigned over Spain ? And in 1492 it was possible.
2/Raguse : in 1492 Raguse wasn't anymore under sovereignty of Venice, as the BG says. I'm not sure if it was under Hungary rule or independant yet. I think the first. And it became independant in the first years of the XVIth. Then it accept protection of the Turks for the duration of the game.
3/Georgia : as much as I know, Georgia was independant in 1492. The BG says it was under Persia rule. Can somebody who knows this country tell me ?
4/Roussillon, Franche-Comté and Artois: these 3 provinces were annexed by Louis XI of France at the treaty of Arras in 1482 and belongs to France at the beginning of the game in 1492. The BG makes them all spanish.
But when Charles VIII of France began to claim for Napoly, he decided to calm Empire and Spain. So he sold back Artois and Franche-Comté to the Habsburgs and Roussillon to Aragon in 1493. But imagine Charles VIII would not have claimed for Napoli ? Or of he had given something else to his enemies to calm them down ?
5/In 1492, there were many independants bishoprics in Europe, particularly in the Empire. The BG ignores them.
I decided to make new countries and new rules fot these very special countries (no offensive war, no armies, possibility of financial support to crusade or Pope, etc, even a special rule about election of the Holy Roman Empire).
The most important ones represent nearly whole provinces in the game : Salzburg (under protectorate of Habsburgs but not annexed), Liège/Luik (boundaries of the bishopric of Luik is close to those of the province Hainaut on the map, even if the name should be changed of course), Munster, Köln, Mainz.
6/Anspach : in 1492, most of this province (north of Bayern) belonged to Pfalz. The BG says it belonged to Bayern.
7/Kaffa : the province of Kaffa (southern Crimea) belonged to Turks, not, as BG says, to Khan of Crimea.
8/Götland : belonged to Denmark, not Sweden in 1492.
9/Ireland : in 1492, only the province of Dublin (Pale) was really under control of England. The suzerainty was only nominal on the rest of Ireland. The BG made it all english.
10/Istria : most of the country called Istria on the map was dominated by Hungary in 1492.The BG says it belonged to Venice but only a little piece of it did.
That's all folks. I hope it wasn't boring for you to read all these details. Hope also there wasn't too much mistakes in it. Thank for those who will answer me and sorry for my english.
