The Shroud - What could it be?

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I will point it out this way. Materialist Empires, because of their Behaviors, are statistically the most likely to start the AI Rebellion. Spiritualist Empires, because of Psionics, are statistically the most likely to summon the Unbidden. While the Prethoryn are not likely to be summoned by any particular Ethos statistically speaking.

Materialists have a special path of Ascension that has to do with their Ethos. Spiritualists have a special path of Ascension that has to do with their Ethos. The third ascension path is not tied directly to any Ethos.

Is there not a clear pattern here?
There's a pattern, I just don't think it's by necessity (or desirability) as deep as you think it is.
 
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I will point it out this way. Materialist Empires, because of their Behaviors, are statistically the most likely to start the AI Rebellion. Spiritualist Empires, because of Psionics, are statistically the most likely to summon the Unbidden. While the Prethoryn are not likely to be summoned by any particular Ethos statistically speaking.

Materialists have a special path of Ascension that has to do with their Ethos. Spiritualists have a special path of Ascension that has to do with their Ethos. The third ascension path is not tied directly to any Ethos.

Is there not a clear pattern here?

Would be good to get a source on that math (and the AI crisis doesn't trigger very well, as far as I can tell, but that is a different issue), but I understand what you're saying here.

The Materialist path of Ascension, as far as we know, has nothing to do with the AI crisis, at least directly. So, the Spiritualist Ascension could certainly be linked to the Unbidden in some form. Yeah the DD said 'commune with the beings in the plane beyond', but we don't know whether those beings are benevolent, malevolent, or somewhere in between. It's possible that the long event chain that happens during the Ascension could determine how the interaction goes.

So, it reasons that the Materialist Ascension may have something like The Shroud or something accompanying it. We did get some info on the Materialist Ascension from spoilers and the DD, but not a full DD like the Spiritualist Ascendancy will be.

There's a pattern, I just don't think it's by necessity (or desirability) as deep as you think it is.

Possibly. And someone still has to write the event chain.
 

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The Worm of the Horizon Signal is also extra-dimensional (or extra-universe anyway) points to a third dimension (even though Paradox lazily re-used the Dimensional Horror model).

The Worm is not from outside. The Worm is from right here. It arranged for you to create it. That's why it loves you: in a way, it's your parent, and your child.

You can't undo the Worm. It already will have been born - somewhere. The moment it touched your past it made itself real.

Anyway. All joking aside, Shroud is too vague a term to draw any conclusions. It could be anything from a barrier between life and afterlife to a theoretical barrier to uploading a brain into a machine.
 

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Anyway. All joking aside, Shroud is too vague a term to draw any conclusions. It could be anything from a barrier between life and afterlife to a theoretical barrier to uploading a brain into a machine.
Except that's going to share a dev-diary with psionic ascension, and that psionic ascension is connected with other "planes."
 

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Fluidic space.
 

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It's the Founders from DS9 mixed with the Ori.
 

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It looks like some sort of Dream/Spirit Realm, from that latest screenshot. Like some Fade from Dragon Age universe. And if it's anything like it, it could be a lot of trouble for psionics! :D
 

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Warp Gods confirmed.
Purge the heretics!

Which are all empires with spiritualist ethic.

Which is 95% of all fan-generated 'Empires of Man'.

PURGE THE EMPEROR!
 

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Warp Gods confirmed.
Purge the heretics!

Which are all empires with spiritualist ethic.

Which is 95% of all fan-generated 'Empires of Man'.

PURGE THE EMPEROR!

Haha, true... My Imperiums of Man are mostly spiritualists, but I have made a proper fanatic materialist one as my latest, as the Emperor himself never wanted to be a God or there to be religions..
 

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My guess, building off the general influences and feel of Stellaris? The shroud seems to take clear influence from Warhammer 40K's Warp, as near everyone's noticed, but I'd wager it's relatively more tame. If it was full as bad as the Warp, after all, nobody'd stick their nose in it for more than one game; there's gotta be something to make sniffing around a realm with hungry whispering things worth it for even say, an adorable Pacifist/Spiritualist/Egalitarian space hippie.

I imagine the difference between investigating the Shroud and getting involved in 40K's warp will be the difference between a exploring a wild jungle, and jumping into an erupting volcano. Neither is especially safe, but one of them could prove beneficial with proper preperation and a risk tolerance; the other is more or less suicidal, and a painful form of suicide at that.
 

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My guess, building off the general influences and feel of Stellaris? The shroud seems to take clear influence from Warhammer 40K's Warp, as near everyone's noticed, but I'd wager it's relatively more tame. If it was full as bad as the Warp, after all, nobody'd stick their nose in it for more than one game; there's gotta be something to make sniffing around a realm with hungry whispering things worth it for even say, an adorable Pacifist/Spiritualist/Egalitarian space hippie.

I imagine the difference between investigating the Shroud and getting involved in 40K's warp will be the difference between a exploring a wild jungle, and jumping into an erupting volcano. Neither is especially safe, but one of them could prove beneficial with proper preperation and a risk tolerance; the other is more or less suicidal, and a painful form of suicide at that.

Even in 40k, with all the horrors, risks and dangers of the Warp, it still has it's uses... I think this shroud will be the same..there are risks but there are rewards... Like anyone who dabbles with the Warp or entertains the Ruinous Powers, you could end up an Immortal Daemon, or you could up up as a squiggling mass of tentacles.
 

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My guess, building off the general influences and feel of Stellaris? The shroud seems to take clear influence from Warhammer 40K's Warp, as near everyone's noticed, but I'd wager it's relatively more tame. If it was full as bad as the Warp, after all, nobody'd stick their nose in it for more than one game; there's gotta be something to make sniffing around a realm with hungry whispering things worth it for even say, an adorable Pacifist/Spiritualist/Egalitarian space hippie.

I imagine the difference between investigating the Shroud and getting involved in 40K's warp will be the difference between a exploring a wild jungle, and jumping into an erupting volcano. Neither is especially safe, but one of them could prove beneficial with proper preperation and a risk tolerance; the other is more or less suicidal, and a painful form of suicide at that.

Just think twice before you form a compact with the End of the Cycle.
 

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Just think twice before you form a compact with the End of the Cycle.

That sounds distinct from the "Whisperers in the Void". So if I read it correctly, it sounds like there will be a few different possible entities to form compacts, covenants, and bargains with in the Shroud.

Eh, I guess we'll find out more on Thursday.