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At this point, what’s your BB? If you get over-ambitious and take too much, you could cause a series of devastating BB wars with the European great powers.
Good show old boy! You certainly showed the Turk a thing or two about about heavy numbers, despite your losses. I would personally make sure that the Levant is under your command and both Cyprus and Crete, considering the casualties.....but Libya could be sold to the Great Powers.....infact, you could even provide both Cyprus and Crete to Greece. That would make an interesting plot.....
Puppeting the Turk could be troublesome but worth it. Should the Russians wish for conflict with the Sultan, it would certainly drag the Shah into conflict. However, that could very well happen so a useful Ottoman ally could be what is needed......
But still, I recommend you claim the Levant, at best. It would be of use to you and if your enemies decide to invade, they may invade from there instead, buying you enough time to reinforce your other ports and make-way for a counter-attack......
Puppeting the Turk could be troublesome but worth it. Should the Russians wish for conflict with the Sultan, it would certainly drag the Shah into conflict. However, that could very well happen so a useful Ottoman ally could be what is needed......
But still, I recommend you claim the Levant, at best. It would be of use to you and if your enemies decide to invade, they may invade from there instead, buying you enough time to reinforce your other ports and make-way for a counter-attack......
And once again the OE gets the playball of a great power. Poor Turks, but satelliting them sounds good and reasonable, you should go with that. After all they didn't even put up a fight in the end.
hmmm... get rid of the islands and Libya.. trading off a little worthless territory should keep the GP's happy, but keep the Levant
if anyone knows about a series of harmful badboy wars it's this guy... who went to hell and back when he played his Ottoman Empire game.
I suggest taking Levant and satelliting Ottomans, and then just sitting and preparing for the inevitable.
I suggest taking Levant and satelliting Ottomans, and then just sitting and preparing for the inevitable.
stnylan An Ottoman satellite would secure my western border. Unfortunately I won't have acces to the med then, at least not yet 
Deo89 Followed by a war vs Britain, Russia and most likely France. Uhm yeah, quiet the thing I want. Done that, and preferably I would like to avoid it.
Duke of Wellington Indeed, at first I was actually shocked that the OE actually put up a fight but with the northern frontier secured, and cutting of the Balkans from Anatolia and sinking their fleet the war was virtually over. Note, I destroyed almost 50% of their army.
Nikolai What wouldn't they accept? The puppeting or taking land? Puppeting might actually be accepted, taking land however, not.
Fulcrumvale Less as 30 IIRC. Now I can't take any provinces before BB wars kick in, while 50 years ago I had almost 40 BB and Russia approached me for an alliance :wacko:
Ksim3000 I suffered losses, yes, but IIRC no destroyed divs. Unlike the Ottomans losing 15 divisions (50% of their standing army). Just watch the next update, it will describe the fall of the OE.
CSK I feel kind of bad for them though. If it isn't Russia, it's Persia ripping them apart. Keep in mind though, that I blocked the Boshporus, so no additional troops (around 10 divisions) could be sent to Anatolia, and without a fleet their overseas possessions are lost.
kingmbutu Perhaps, but Cyprus and/or Crete provide a decent and solid position in the med. And if I want to have anything to say in European affairs, it will be a great acquisition.
Vincent Julien It will be known later today
joebthegreat Actually, just one of those wars was BB war, Russia was having a bad day. Unfortunately the Russians are prepared to invade me, nearly 1 million men in Caucasia and more as a million men in Central Asia. Yet there is a big threat in the South as well. Unlike Russia I can't retreat in Punjab as it's my industrial and military heart, if I lose it, Persia will fall.
Deo89 Followed by a war vs Britain, Russia and most likely France. Uhm yeah, quiet the thing I want. Done that, and preferably I would like to avoid it.
Duke of Wellington Indeed, at first I was actually shocked that the OE actually put up a fight
but with the northern frontier secured, and cutting of the Balkans from Anatolia and sinking their fleet the war was virtually over. Note, I destroyed almost 50% of their army.Nikolai What wouldn't they accept? The puppeting or taking land? Puppeting might actually be accepted, taking land however, not.
Fulcrumvale Less as 30 IIRC. Now I can't take any provinces before BB wars kick in, while 50 years ago I had almost 40 BB and Russia approached me for an alliance :wacko:
Ksim3000 I suffered losses, yes, but IIRC no destroyed divs. Unlike the Ottomans losing 15 divisions (50% of their standing army). Just watch the next update, it will describe the fall of the OE.
CSK
I feel kind of bad for them though. If it isn't Russia, it's Persia ripping them apart. Keep in mind though, that I blocked the Boshporus, so no additional troops (around 10 divisions) could be sent to Anatolia, and without a fleet their overseas possessions are lost.kingmbutu Perhaps, but Cyprus and/or Crete provide a decent and solid position in the med. And if I want to have anything to say in European affairs, it will be a great acquisition.
Vincent Julien It will be known later today
joebthegreat Actually, just one of those wars was BB war, Russia was having a bad day. Unfortunately the Russians are prepared to invade me, nearly 1 million men in Caucasia and more as a million men in Central Asia. Yet there is a big threat in the South as well. Unlike Russia I can't retreat in Punjab as it's my industrial and military heart, if I lose it, Persia will fall.
The Rise to Power
By mid 1909, after 3 years of war against the Ottoman Empire, Persia reached great heights. It’s military was state of the art, and her economy was rising at an tremendous pace. Already it had surpassed several European nations, like Spain, Portugal, Belgium and the Netherlands. The war was certainly not a financial drain, on the contrary, the Persian empire was wealthier by the end of the war then before. Now, with the Sultan restricted in his powers, Persia was ready to step up and take a role in the international world. Although everything appeared to be fine, the Ottoman Empire was close to collapse and the rumours of a civil war were spreading.
Mozzafar knew that a lot had to be done before Persia was ready to enter the world stage. Despite Persia’s strengths, it had a severe weakness. Persia had a non existent navy. From mid 1908 all available resources already went into the research of new ships, but because of the Persian-Ottoman war, not much progress was made. During the rule of Nasser al-Din the Caucasian border with Russia was fortified, but now it wasn’t the only border which was under threat. By early 1910 the first steps were taken to fortify the Anglo-Persian border in India. The Central Asian plains were too big, or not suitable, for a defensive position against a possible Russian invasion. For now, neither Britain or Russia showed any signs of invading. Despite Russian promises, the Russian military presence in Siberia, the Urals and Caucasia had increased dramatically. An estimated 1 million troops were stationed along the border.
By 1912, the first modern ships were ordered by Mozzafar. Constructed at the wharf in Basra, 3 cruiser, a torpedo boat and a destroyer left the docks. The first ship to be completed was named after the current ruler Mozzafar, while the rest were named after his father and grandfather. 3 so called pre-dreadnoughts were constructed by the summer of 1912, and were named after the cities of Teheran, Tabriz and Bandar Abbas. Further plans for another 6 cruisers and 3 pre-dreadnoughts were made and would be commissioned between 1914-1916.
The Persian Fleet
While Persia held the position of the biggest producer of wool, producing over 200 tons of wool each day, by 1913 they also became the biggest producer of oil, producing 15 barrels of oil each day. Mozzafar wanted to expand the Persian oil production, and encouraged migration to Abu Dhabi and Central Asia. In the neighbour hood, only Nejd had oil which could be accessed by Persia. Before either Russia or Britain could influence Nejd, Persia invaded and quickly captured the provinces of Ras al Mihab, Al Qatif and Riyadh. The Sheik of Nejd agreed to secede the provinces on the coast and become a puppet of Persia.
Nejd Campaign
Persia in 1914
During the rule of Mozzafar, the economy grew fast, and by 1914 total exports had reached a netto value of nearly 1,500 million pounds. Integrail Railways were constructed throughout the Persian empire, and Persia grew more powerful as days passed by. It wouldn’t take long before the Persians were to become a global power. Expansion under Muhammad and Nasser al-Din had saw Persia grow stronger, but under the leadership of Mozzafar the economy started to grow faster and the elimination of one of Persia’s rivals.
The statistics of Persia in October 1914
Between 1836 and 1914 Persia grew tremendously. It’s population increased by a factor 10, while their territory had increased substantially. Now in 1914 Persia was on the eve of a new chapter in their history, a truly modern Empire.
My, your knocking on the gates of the Great Powers, and no mistake. I would not like to make a wager on your changes against Russia if that frontier ever became 'hot', however.
It looks like, unless you decide to go after Tibet for some reason, another round with the Ottomans is all but inevitable.
It looks like, unless you decide to go after Tibet for some reason, another round with the Ottomans is all but inevitable.
stnylan said:
We like a challenge, and I know well what Russia is capable of. A short war is in their advantage, yet, they seem incapable of waging an all out war. From my experience (in 1.04 though) they seem to crumble in an prolonged war, in which I want a victory at all costs.
Why Tibet? I border China too, and I'm expanding my naval assets, so in theory I can strike in South America, Africa and even Europe if I want to. Of course the Ottomans are tempting, but they are supposed to be my allies now. Let's wait if they actually manage to hold together.
Oh I forgot this picture:
note:Russia has Dubrovnik
Poor Switzerland...
I was thinking Tibet because it would tidy up the Asian frontier somewhat. I do like tidy borders
I was thinking Tibet because it would tidy up the Asian frontier somewhat. I do like tidy borders
So, what happened to the ottoman war? What was the peace? Status Quo?
Russia owning Dubrovnik is interesting... smart AI there
Oh and one note, 15 barrels oil a day... lol.... compared to what Arabia produces today
Russia owning Dubrovnik is interesting... smart AI there
Oh and one note, 15 barrels oil a day... lol.... compared to what Arabia produces today
Looks like Persia is ready to sprint to the top of the heap. I hope its not at the expense of Russia though; she's been such a good ally
Watch out world, you got a new superpower soon. Persia certainly will change the balance in Central Asia quite a lot in the next years. Just too bad Germany doesn't look like it will be much help for you against Russia as I think a war against the Russians will be inevitable in the long term.