The screenshots show GBR as only the second most powerful GP in 1836. Which could be #1?

[icedt729]

"Industry score" has been replaced by "GDP," which should have the impact of improving Russia's starting score relative to Vic 2. It's also possible that the devs haven't set each country's starting prestige yet (which Great Britain had a lot of).

 

[terminatordk]

Really? That seems a bit wrong. Wasn't china basically draining the global supply of precious metals at this point in history?
Oh well then it pretty much has to be Russia. Though that doesn't seem right either.

If its anything like Vicky 2 thats because they can't be higher rated than a fully civilized country before they themselves become fully civilized.

 

[KaiserJohan]

I'm going to be honest, if any European power is ahead of Great Britain in 1836 and it isn't caused by player interaction, something has gone wrong.

In 1836, the major powers of the world were all in Europe. China was in decline and the USA hadn't begun it's rise yet. France was in it's unstable "July Monarchy" even if it was the time period they went after Algeria and Russia only really began it's true ascent following the 1848 revolutions harming all the other powers in Europe. Austria, for all that it was just ending a period of being the dominant power in Europe, was only the dominant power in Europe.

Britain was the only power to have anything like a global reach during the time period and oddly one of the only major powers of the time to properly industrialise. Russia and Austria-Hungary can be counted alongside Spain for countries that performed a rapid industrialisation in the 20th century. Although at least with Spain they had the sense to industrialise a decent part of their country in the 1800s.

France and Germany, while they did Industrrialise properly. were not really major powers in 1836 when compared to Austria, Britain, Russia or even the Ottomans. The French were unstable and untrusted due to Napoleon and had very little reach and Germany had a good few years to go before becoming Germany rather than Prussia.

GBR starts as #1. Either something off in that build or they fiddled around before screenshotting

 

[Sovetskysoyuz]

If its anything like Vicky 2 thats because they can't be higher rated than a fully civilized country before they themselves become fully civilized.

V3 is removing the civ/unciv distinction. Some countries that were previously unciv will now be unrecognized meaning that European states don't care if other European states bully them, but it will be less limiting than being an unciv was.

Being unrecognized could have some effect on ranking still, though.

 

[TheDungen]

If its anything like Vicky 2 thats because they can't be higher rated than a fully civilized country before they themselves become fully civilized.

Yeah I really hope that doesn't remain the case. It implies a linearity to these things which just isn't true.

China started falling apart in the late 1700s. Population growth was outpacing food production which naturally was causing unrest and weakening government control and Europe had surpassed it far enough that it really couldn't do much when they wanted to force issues. The First Opium War was in 1839.

The best way I can put it is that they lost a series of wars against weaker powers starting in the mid-1700s and pretty much from that point onwards they entered a downwards spiral with near constant difficult to suppress revolts and pretty much everybody else sensing weakness.

To be honest, China should probably be lower. For every victory, for every success in the 1800s, they had 5 defeats, 5 failures.

Europe having surpassed them is very much up to debate. When the British first sent an envoy to the imperial court and showed of the most advanced stuff Europe had the Chinese thought it was pretty basic.
Granted Europe had things that were more advanced than the Chinese at that point but what Europe thought it as leading on, such as scientific instruments weren't actually the stuff it was leading on, which was more along the lines of weapons manufacturing and shipbuilding.

 

[Ninking]

GBR as #1. Either something off in that build or they fiddled around before screenshotting

Thanks for clearing it up, but sad to hear it's not because of Sweden #1

 

[Felicity]

didn't you know?
the legend?
king charles the XII?


he was #1....

 

[icedt729]

Update: #1 power is Bhutan, well on their way to world conquest

 

[Wizzington]

This is just down to non final balancing the UK should for sure be the #1 great power in 1836.

 

[Jia Xu]

This is just down to non final balancing the UK should for sure be the #1 great power in 1836.

So you've decided to abandon all history. You've decided to ignore the great empire of Lippe-Detmold. We shall not forget this slight.

 

[thedarkendstar]

So you've decided to abandon all history. You've decided to ignore the great empire of Lippe-Detmold. We shall not forget this slight.

How dare you ignore the great nation of Krakow

 

[Jia Xu]

How dare you ignore the great nation of Krakow

If you think both our countries being landlocked will save you, I assure you that the secret U-Boat fleet of Lippe-Detmold will bring the heathens of Krakow to their knees. Do not pick this fight you cannot win.

 

[A Landy]

*Eats Popcorn*

 

[thedarkendstar]

If you think both our countries being landlocked will save you, I assure you that the secret U-Boat fleet of Lippe-Detmold will bring the heathens of Krakow to their knees. Do not pick this fight you cannot win.

May the wrath of 10 million anarcho-liberals fall upon you!

 

[Wizzington]

So you've decided to abandon all history. You've decided to ignore the great empire of Lippe-Detmold. We shall not forget this slight.

Are you really implying that the glory of Lippe-Detmold can be judged on a mere earth-scale of power? I'm disgusted.

 

[A Landy]

Careful, nations like Lucca or Luxembourg (or, God help us if they do, Bhutan) may intervene

 

[Jia Xu]

Careful, nations like Lucca or Luxembourg (or, God help us if they do, Bhutan) may intervene

Enough, brothers! While we quarrel amongst ourselves, the villains of San Marino are planning our total destruction.

 

[thedarkendstar]

Enough, brothers! While we quarrel amongst ourselves, the villains of San Marino are planning our total destruction.

All while the Nation of Lübeck takes control of all our internal markets this cannot stand!!!!

 

[A Landy]

Enough, brothers! While we quarrel amongst ourselves, the villains of San Marino are planning our total destruction.

True, maybe we should use Liechtenstein as a deterrent to Sammarinese ambitions

 

[Shorkan]

Ulm.