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Wow! You're certainly handling Uncle Boris with kid gloves! But why did you not even take Kalmuk? Surely that would be a tidy inclusion in the peace deal? Or have you already promised it to your faithful Georgian ally? Anyway, the writing remains at the usual high standard! :)
 

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I probly would have taken Kalmuk too, just for looks, but its a low supply provice and isnt it bhuddist in the latest beta? No need to deal with a religion you cant by any means tolerate.
 

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I was thinking the same thing as the others, but then I realized that perhaps you did not want to anger Russia too much. Besides, with a bit of luck, perhaps Kalmuk will rebel and join your side since it appears to be cut off from GH proper.
 

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Understandable, all those provices were either differt culture or religion, a majority were both. Stab costs would rise quite a bit, while you wouldnt get decent cash from them, their rather poor provinces with low supply. Not to mention worsening relations with the ever growing russian bear who has sheilds on all sed provinces.
 

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I see my gameplay has elicited some discussion and criticism. :)

This was a difficult decision for me. Essentially, my reasoning was pretty much as LordLeto said. My stab costs were already fairly high and remember Ukraine is poor. The other issue, just as some of you hinted, is that I was trying to dance a very delicate balance with Uncle Boris in Russia. I wanted to take enough territory to keep my options open, without taking so much as to force a Russian reaction against me. And I have tried to make sure Russia always has a higher priority enemy to attack than Ukraine.

As for treating Russia with kid gloves, did you see the size of Russia's army in Bogutjar? That one army is almost twice the size of my entire force, and no doubt they have plenty more to back them up. Another thing you can't see in that picture is the size of Suzdal's army, which was something like 50 or even 60K when they helped Russia take out Ryazan. No way did I want to provoke an attack.

In the next chapter I need to write in a departure for Volodymyr, our Serbian advisor. I had some different ideas in mind, but reading these responses has given me a better one. :)

Owning the COT at Astrakhan doubled my monthly income. :eek:
 

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So now you're rich, you'll be able to take some higher stab costs in the next peace deal? :D As we all know, most of the people in this forum (myself included) are province-hungry megalomaniacs - but it's refreshing to see someone with a different approach, one that might work in the real world, for example! ;)
 

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Ukraine moves South

(Narration by Nech)

Volodymyr departs

Our decision to end the war with the Golden Horde, taking only Astrakhan, was not popular with our new Hetman, Lukyan Chornynsky:

"Bah! Diplomacy is simple! First attack, then capture, then take! What is wrong with you people?"

We weren't really concerned about Chornynsky's opinion. He lasted only two years anyway before getting rip-roaring drunk and falling into the Don. His body was recovered far downstream.

Of greater concern, however, was the opinion of our Serbian friend Volodymyr. I sensed something was not right when we signed the treaty, and when we patched up a border dispute with Nogai soon afterward, Volodymyr told me plainly that he was leaving us.

"Friend Nech, the stars are calling me home. I bid you farewell."

"But Volodymyr, we need you. We would not be where we are today without your advice."

"Perhaps so, but you have stopped listening to my advice. You captured four provinces from the Khan but kept only one. You could have blocked Russian advancement into Asia but you left a corridor for them. And you could have taken territory from Nogai but you threw away the opportunity instead."

"You have heard our discussions on these issues and you know well that we had good reasons for doing these things."

"There are always good reasons for sitting when you should be acting instead. It is time for me to go."

I implored him to stay. When he refused, I begged him at least to allow us to honor him with a farewell banquet. But he declined this as well. Finally, I insisted on one last favor from him.

"When you arrived in Ukraine 25 years ago, you would not tell my predecessor your full name. Have we earned that much in 25 years? For we want to preserve your memory for our children's children."

"So be it. Know then that you have been visited by Peric. Volodymyr Peric." With that he turned to the west and departed for good. I knew we had lost a friend who could never be replaced.

I thought that would be the end of that story, but fate had other ideas. About a year later, word began to spread among the people of the mysterious Volodymyr from the mountains of Serbia. Self-proclaimed prophets appeared, claiming to be able to read Volodymyr's words in the stars. Some of these attracted quite a following, leading to a wave of cultism throughout Ukraine. Eventually the movement petered out when one by one these prophets were shown to be false.

Foreign relations

Early in 1579 the Golden Horde made their peace with Russia, paying a small amount of cash and giving up Ufa. But it was obvious the Russians would strike them again soon. And so they did, though not until 1590. In that war Russia gained Uralsk and Orenburg, leaving the formerly Great Khan with just Samara and Kalmuk.

Meanwhile, Ukraine was roiled with increased rebellion and poor stability. After the Volodymyr cult fizzled out, a group of nobles turned traitor, seeking to betray our land to Poland. Another group of expatriate Ukrainians extorted Krempsky into paying them support money in order to avoid still worse stability problems. This forced us to take a loan, further exacerbating our chronic problems with inflation. And all the while, placing and maintaining merchants was very difficult.

Events finally turned to our favor in 1586 with a complaint from our merchants of persistent harassment from the Crimeans. Suddenly it was all clear. Why had we had so much trouble with merchants at Thrace, Astrakhan, and even Kurland? It was those rotten Crimeans! Now that we had legal cause to declare war, we tried to prepare as best as possible and defeat Crimea. With the poor stability and the outstanding loan this was difficult. Krempsky waited as long as possible before announcing the war officially, but by September 1591 we had to use this opportunity, ready or not, or lose it. So war was declared.

A picture of Ukraine and Crimea one year before the war. I was able to build up the forces a little, but not much more than this:

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The Crimean wars

We called our ally Georgia, and Crimea was a member of a great alliance with the Hedjaz, the Ottomans, Khazaks, Tripoli, and Nubia. However, another war was declared against this same alliance by Tunisia and Algiers later that same month.

Crimea's army was larger than ours, with 29 thousand troops. But we had a critical edge in technology as we had firearms and they didn't (OOC: 11-6). Our Hetman, Kosynsky, commanded one army which moved to Azov and began a siege there. Shaula, our Field Marshal, commanded the second army and attacked Kaffa. The Crimeans did not oppose our siege at Azov, and this city fell to us after a year.

Kaffa, however, was a much more difficult battleground. Here we needed all of Shaula's great skill and leadership, for the enemy attacked repeatedly with their entire army from Kerch. Though greatly outnumbered, Shaula deployed his forces perfectly to meet each attack and defeat the enemy. Nevertheless, the Crimeans inflicted terrible casualties by means of a scorched earth strategy, burning any food or supplies they could find before they were driven back to Kerch.

By the time Azov was captured four Crimean counterattacks at Kaffa had been defeated. Shaula's army had been battered and our trickle of reinforcements was barely adequate for him to hold the field. But now Hetman Kosynsky attacked Kerch from Azov and the Crimeans were in serious trouble. Their army had been cut in half after their heavy losses in Kaffa, and then Kosynsky beat them in Kerch and drove them to constant retreat. It was only then that we could keep a large enough army in Kaffa for Shaula to conduct an effective siege.

Our Georgian allies had encountered a problem we did not foresee. Just two months after the war began, rebels in Trabzon finally overthrew their Mameluke governor and pledged their allegiance to Georgia. This was great news -- except that now Georgia bordered the Turks. Within a few months most of the Georgian army had been defeated as Turks swarmed over Trabzon and Georgia. But all our forces were needed to vanquish the Crimeans; we could offer no assistance to our ally.

Late in 1592 Hetman Kosynsky was killed by a Crimean assassin. Unable to defeat us on the battlefield, they had resorted to extreme measures. But this outrage only caused us to burn with anger, vowing to crush them utterly. Poor Kosynsky had been married to lovely Oxana, the daughter of Andriy Vishnevtsky. They had a son, a little boy named Petro. I promised Oxana I would watch over Petro as he grew up, training him to be a brave Ukrainian soldier.

During 1593 we began to besiege Kerch, but without a good commander this siege bogged down. Meanwhile, the defeated Crimean army had set up camp at Azov in an attempt to retake their capital. Eventually our new Hetman Loboda broke the siege at Kerch in order to crush the Crimean army at Azov. This attack was successful in June, but both sides took heavy losses. We spent some months rebuilding our force and it was not until June 1594 that this army returned to Kerch, defeating Crimea and beginning a new siege. At that point Shaula and Loboda had the war under control. Kaffa was captured in August and the Crimean army badly mauled in a counterattack at Kerch in September.

The next month, Crimea offered us 72 ducats plus Kaffa. Krempsky signed the treaty, we were at peace, and we had saved our ally Georgia from further damage at the hands of the Turks.

Uncle Boris had not been idle in the meantime. Having taken Uralsk and Orenburg not long before, the Russians next turned their sights on Nogai, declaring war late in 1593. After some two and a half years the Nogai Khan conceded defeat, Russia gaining the provinces of Irgiz, which we didn't mind, and Alga, which we did. It was beginning to appear that Volodymyr was right after all; having moved cautiously, we were now boxed in by the Russians and blocked from further expansion to the East.

At about this time, early in 1596, no reasonable candidate for Hetman could be found. So it was up to Shaula, Krempsky, and I to take power formally, though by the end of the year a barely satisfactory man had been recruited.

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In September 1597 once again we heard complaints from our merchants of persistent and intolerable harassment from the perfidious Crimeans. Clearly the last war had not taught them the error of their ways, so another lesson was needed. We built up strength as long as we could, five years, and then declared war while the world at large still acknowledged the legitimacy of our grievance. Georgia joined on our side while the Crimeans were in the same alliance as before. And following earlier history, just a few days after Krempsky's declaration of war the Mamelukes also started a war against the same enemy alliance, forcing them to commit to multiple fronts.

Remembering the difficulty of the previous war we were prepared for the worst, but in fact Crimea was in no condition to stand against us. The dreadful attrition problems at Kaffa lay in the distant past, and both Kerch and Azov came under siege within two months with the Crimean army in full retreat. By August 1603, after one year of war, both provinces had fallen to our forces and Crimea offered very reasonable peace terms: 42 ducats plus Kerch.

A taste of things to come

That same month, my agents reported rumors of fantastic turmoil in Moscow, a period that came to be known as the Time of Troubles. Soon all Russia was in flames as Uncle Boris appeared powerless to stop the damage from spreading. We watched with great interest and anxiety...
 

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I think the Ukrainian Hetmantag (yeah well, the noble assembly anyway) will have its fair share of Volodymyrists :rofl: , who cry out to fight Uncle Boris and deny him passage across the Ural by seizing Orenburg!

(that is, Orenburg is that prov above Astrakhan which gives you access to Central Asia, isn't it?)

Take advantage of Russia's weakness, because it'll get only harder after this! :mad:
 

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There is still chance to do as Volodymyr wanted ;) Also, what are the stats for Shaula, Kremspky & Nech?

BTW, whats you BB? Are you planning on annexing Crimea; vassalizing them or even leting them be (though that might prove to be dangerous)
 

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I do believe you're really a closet province-hungry megalomaniac after all, jwolf! :D (Yes, Van Engel, I'm sorry to say, I'm one for sure). But Uncle Boris is the worst of all - and it sounds like he's just had his come-uppance. What's the old saying? "Pride comes before a massive wave of revolts" or something like that... :eek:
 

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Wonderful update jwolf. I wonder, have you thought about where you might expand if you do end up blocked in the east? And I amazed you have not had more problems from the Turks during your wars, even if they are fighting on two fronts. Nice work in Crimea!
 

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TheBee -- The "Hetmantag" is a good picture of what these times were like. A bunch of no-name blunderers for Hetman. They weren't really bad, just not good. With rare exceptions, each Hetman in this period has 4-4-4 stats, and that includes Shaula, Krempsky, and Nech's brief reign. On the other hand, late in the 1600s you get the Divisional Hetmans, and they are rotten. Ugh.

Either Uralsk or Orenburg would block the Russians. I deliberately left it open for them, hoping they would go after Sibir and leave the Nogai-Khazak corridor for me. Uncle Boris doublecrossed me by hitting Nogai so quickly and grabbing Alga. :mad:

VPeric -- We'll have to see about the Volodymyrists in the Hetmantag. :) My BB was never high, at most about 7. Reputation never got worse than slightly tarnished. This was one of my cleanest games ever as far as diplomatic reputation. But it wasn't that I was a nice guy; it's that I was so weak. Ukraine had a difficult time beating Crimea -- how would I do against Russia?

About Crimea -- eventually I want to annex them. They are a severe irritation and constant menace on my border. Unfortunately, they managed to take Rumelia (just north of Thrace) from Bulgaria. That makes it just about impossible for me to eliminate them. And similarly for any Balkan power. After a little while from now, Bulgaria got into a war with Crimea, captured Rumelia, but could go no farther. So that war stayed deadlocked for some 50 years! Eventually a bit of cash traded hands and that was that.

Farquharson -- Yes, Uncle Boris did learn some humility at this time. Details to come later. And as for being province-hungry, I practice my megalomania in moderation. :D

coz1 -- It's true that Ukraine is blocked in the East with Russia holding Alga. But it ain't over 'til it's over. ;) More to come on that.

The Turks have been in a huge mess since the late 1400s, if not earlier. They conquered the Byzantines in 1450, just about right on schedule. But then, I don't know why, their capital didn't move to Thrace, although the COT appeared there as usual. Soon the Turks were mired in some unending wars, and lost several provinces in defection. It's been just plain bizarre. Macedonia, Thrace, Smyrna, Konya, and another two or three Turkish provinces have defected and re-defected like a crazy ping-pong game. The OE, Venice, and Mamelukes have all had the Anatolian provinces at one time or another. Thrace defected back and forth between OE and Venice at least twice, finally defecting (along with Macedonia) to Bulgaria, who was able to hold them better. Meanwhile, Eastern Anatolia fell in revolt with Dulkadir reappearing and then inheriting about three more Turkish provinces by defection. Georgia got some of the defection spoils as well. The map looks downright ugly if you're a fan of the Turks.

Thanks to all for reading and commenting. :)
 

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You know the AI for the ottomans is a fickle creature. I've noticed that the OE either does well or just drops off the face of the earth without so much as a yipe. Keep up the good work!
 

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Van Engel said:
So is taking thrace on the cards?

No. Maybe I could take it, with some lucky breaks, but even so there is no way I could hold it. As you'll see in the screenshot below, Aunt Helga (Austria) is flexing her muscles.

Speaking of Aunt Helga, sorry VPeric, but Serbia is part of the Habsburg Empire. You have my deepest sympathy.

Here's the map. This was definitely a "downer" game for the Turks. Compare their empire here in 1605 to what you'll see in the 1611 map when I post the next chapter, maybe tomorrow (sorry, too sleepy to write tonight).

Dobrudja is owned by Poland, and Rumelia is owned by Crimea. Sochi is still owned by the Hedjaz.

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