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Lord Vangeel de Lichtaart-Kempen, on day One of his Campaign.
Location: the CRE HeadQuarters
Around 1300 people have gathered to listen to his first speech.


My fellow Eutopians,

I am happy that you are so numerous today, to listen to my speech.
Now, as you know, the current campaign seems to go between a socialist and a conservative person, while we seem to be forgotten. People, letting me be forgotten would be the worst thing to do. That would be to take away from the people their only alternative. The people who don't want to vote "federalist" and "republican", what can they do? Exactly; they vote ROYALIST!
A clear alternative for you people, I say NO to federalism, cultural autonomy and provincialism! I say YES to the Monarchy and the Nationalist State!
People, Eutopia has never been in a better shape. Then why are our politicians trying to split it? A simple question, and the simple answer is: if a Nation is split, Ministries also have to be split. So in a federal system there will be more ministers and more functions. All functions that can be done by party members... You see? The parties only want more functions for themselves!
NO TO THAT! VOTE ROYALIST! VOTE ROYALIST!


The public starts cheering, and Royalist is on his way to the next campaign trip.
 

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Reporter from a WET Native EUtopian Newspaper: Mr Royalist what are your views on yesterday's alleged French Trawler event?
 

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How will you, as President, help to curb the polarization of Eutopian politics and restore a working realationship between the right, left, and center?
 

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ooc: have been away for 2 days, sorry

IC:

About the French Trawler: we feel that an investigation must start as soon as possible. And not a routine investigation, but I want to know all about it: was it really an accident? What were those Eutopians doing there? Do those French have any ties with Al Quaeda? etc etc

Mr. Celt, we believe it is our democratic right to be for the Monarchy, so will you please let us continue that right, without you trying to shout through my speeches? Thank you.

Mr. Deaghaidh. That is one of my specialities. As you know, in Monarchies, the King always has a stabilizing influence on politics. Politicians tend to be less sharp and cooperate more in Monarchies, as none of them can ever reach the highest post in the Nation - that of King. That is why I will give away my presidential post as soon as the Monarchy is restored. In a Monarchy, there is no president needed to divide people. As a president can already be chosen with 50 per cent of the votes, while everyone can find their party in Parliament, and everyone can identify themselves with their Monarch.
 

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Duke Kent Johann of St: Brendan enters before the rostrum.

"Dear Fellow Citizens of Eutopia. We have gathered here today to listen and to Lord Vangeel de Lichtaart-Kempen. But he has given me the chance to express my thoughts. Many of you do not know who I am, and those who don't, I will inform. I am Duke Kent Johann of St: Brendan, Former leader of the CRE Party. I am also one of those who has strong claims upon the throne. The state say that the reason for us to leave the Monarchy was because there was no one to inheritate the throne, but that is a pure lie. We are many, and I am the one with maybe the strongest claims. Many of you would say that a King is not needed, I would say he is. A King is like a christmas tree, not needed for some exact purpose, but needed for the feeling, needed to express Eutopia and to make the Eutopian History stronger. We need to have a King to gather around, a King that will express Eutopia, see to Eutopian interests and to represent Eutopia. A King is what we need.

A vote for Lord Vangeel de Lichtaart-Kempen is a vote for Monarchy, and so is a vote fro CRE. This is what we will fight for, this is what we will do, our main goal. Let us all reinstall the Royal Family, let us have a King to gather around"


Hurray screams are heard from the masses.

"Long live the King!"
 

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I really didn't understand what the citizien Kent Johann said.


So can someone please say why should a person be the King??? IS just that calling him a christams Tree...


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if you want to live in a country with a political system that is overaged and just narrowminded...

... try to find a religious party


if you want to have no political power...

... express it by not voting at all


if you want one guy to be very wealthy while the rest is poor

... vote the rightists.


if you are a fan of marriages within the family that usually happen within monarchies and the resulting genetic weaknesses ...

... move to a city closer to a nuclear powerplant and hope for the best.



so you see there is no reason to vote for the royalists :D
 

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LOL man LOL


But people from the CRE why should he have a king????
 

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Originally posted by weyoun
if you want to live in a country with a political system that is overaged and just narrowminded...

... try to find a religious party


if you want to have no political power...

... express it by not voting at all


if you want one guy to be very wealthy while the rest is poor

... vote the rightists.


if you are a fan of marriages within the family that usually happen within monarchies and the resulting genetic weaknesses ...

... move to a city closer to a nuclear powerplant and hope for the best.



so you see there is no reason to vote for the royalists :D

I actually think the CRE is more leftist than the average monarchist party, look at their program.
 

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Originally posted by Kent I Wallmi
I am also one of those who has strong claims upon the throne. The state say that the reason for us to leave the Monarchy was because there was no one to inheritate the throne, but that is a pure lie. We are many, and I am the one with maybe the strongest claims.
This is inaccurate and incomplete at best.

(1) There may be claimants to the throne, but there were (and still are) no *legal* heirs in keeping with the laws of succession.

(2) As our citizens will remember, government and Parliament made a sustained effort to change the laws of succession and to find a consensus candidate for the throne; that effort failed in good part because of fragmentation among and opposition from the royalist faction.

(3) As regards the strength of claims: as an illegitimate descendant of a former Monarch, Duke Kent's claims are considerably weaker than those of other candidates.
 

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"If a nation does not want a monarchy, change the nation’s mind. If a nation does not need a monarchy, change the nation’s needs."

Jan Christian Smuts, Prime Minister of South Africa 1939-1948.


"If the Allies at the peace table at Versailles had allowed a Hohenzollern, a Wittelsbach and a Habsburg to return to their thrones, there would have been no Hitler. A democratic basis of society might have been preserved by a crowned Weimar in contact with the victorious Allies. "

Winston Churchill, 26th April 1946.

"In Italy they are already speaking about a republic, but keep in mind that there is nothing less suited to Italians...... The Italians are individualists and a republic will become the cause of confusion and disorder. Certainly of corruption. I have no doubt of it. When all this comes to pass who will profit from it?"

King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy, 10th April 1944


"If to be a Republican is to hold, as a matter of theory at least, that is the best government for a free and intelligent people in which merit is to be preferred to birth, then I hold it an honour to be associated with nearly all the greatest thinkers of the country and to be a Republican. But if a Republican is one who would thrust aside the opinion and affront the sentiment of a huge majority of the nation, merely to carry to a logical conclusion an abstract theory, then I am far from being a Republican as any man can be. "

Rt Hon Joseph Chamberlain (1836-1914) in 1875.

"Above the ebb and flow of party strife, the rise and fall of ministries, and individuals, the changes of public opinion or public fortune, the British Monarchy presides, ancient, calm and supreme within its function, over all the treasures that have been saved from the past and all the glories we write in the annals of our country. "

Sir Winston Churchill.
 

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I had a dialogue with a republican, like you.

The rest of the post was a cut and paste from the website of an actually existing organization and has been deleted. The previous post was a cut and paste as well, but since it only consists of quotes from different individuals, I'll leave it up.
Melanchthon, GM Admin

"As this is an RPG, discussions of the RL politics and history of 'other' countries should be avoided as far as possible. In particular, please try not to use RL symbols, pictures, photographs, texts and documents which are recognizably linked with an actually existing movement or organization."
 
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Some interesting arguments you put forward, Mr. Vangeel.

But still, I am not convinced... of their merit and their source. I strongly doubt that you write your own electoral campaign, and I would say that a president who cannot write his own program is a sad president indeed.
 

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An other question. Why should a man like me. Be my leader if he didn't have passed any test???? Why should a person who can be the worst LEADER of the world leader me?? WHY???
 

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Democratic government has been responsible for some of the worst atrocities of history. It is also the most dangerous. True Democracy, a republic, is a terrifying thing. Remember, Hitler was elected. Remember McCarthy in the US. Do not think that democractic or republican government is so pure, so naturally just. The fusion of the two, a constitutional monarchy, has produced the stablest states of the modern world.

Before anyone points out the US let me ask how stable really is the US? In the 1960s it looked very tottery. Now, the US is once more relatively stable, but I think there might be a reason for this. In the position of the President the Americans have a monarch in all but name. His powers are virtually the same as George III's. He is held in an adoration by his people that is similar to that held by other monarchs, and not by other presidents.

Remember also those of you who simply criticise without thought - it is the easiest thing in the world to attack, to denigrate. But by doing so you only make yourselves small and petty, and not worthy of the ideals you doubtless protest that you hold.

Prof Karitas Smith