The Royal Entente

[Brent15]

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The Royal Entente
AoD Mod 1492
Beginning-Saturday March 11, 2006 17:00 CET
Thereafter Saturdays 17:00 CET

General Managers
Javier (Pibe)
Admiral Drake
Brent

Host
Fraese

Difficult problems and extremely contentious issues will be resolved by a GM-vote to prevent animosity towards one person. GMs will abstain from voting on any issue which directly affects their nation (if its a formal dispute). Even in the most extreme case; a conflict between two GMs; there will still be an impartial GM available for adjudication. The three GM system should be able to create a stable and fair environment for all players.
Disclaimer: Many thanks to Casluerj and EGA5 as this was their general concept.

If there is ANY objection to who is on the GM list now, speak up now. The three-GM system has been setup to create impartiality, NOT to weaken the authority of the game managers. By failing to speak up now, you forego any legitimate complaints against them them/us later.


It's time to start narrowing things down here. I am going to post a format for the game to get some discussion on the details of our scenario.

Current Player Roster:

Name:                Status:          ICQ:            Country:
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Brent                [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        212585425       [COLOR=Navy]France[/COLOR]
Pibe                 [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        145855619       [COLOR=White]Austria[/COLOR]
Rinak                [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        205941054       [COLOR=Lime]Ottoman Empire[/COLOR]
Duke of Austria      [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        199328083       [COLOR=DarkRed]Russia[/COLOR]
Sander_NL            [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        198274019       [COLOR=Gray]Brandenburg[/COLOR]
Dr Bob               [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        278543055       [COLOR=Red]England[/COLOR]
Emp.Alexius          [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        201725410       [COLOR=Yellow]Spain[/COLOR]
Admiral Drake        [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        280012044       [COLOR=Blue]Sweden[/COLOR]
Fraese               [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        339782719       [COLOR=SandyBrown]The NLs[/COLOR]
R_Santiago           [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        313-359-300     [COLOR=YellowGreen]Portugal[/COLOR]
Al-Azrad             [COLOR=Lime]Committed[/COLOR]        18-683-313      [COLOR=Wheat]Persia[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]Available[/COLOR]            [COLOR=Red]Needed[/COLOR]           [COLOR=Red]Needed[/COLOR]          [COLOR=PaleGreen]Venice[/COLOR]

Slider will remain unlocked by a vote of 6 to 2

We will have random leaders by a vote of 5 to 4

 

[Brent15]

Rules
1. The GM triad has the final say on all issues; Every member has the right to dispute a decision by one of the GM's, BUT a GM vote will typically be a last resort. We should have a friendly game where common sense is the prime dictator.

2. Attendance and punctuality: GM's reserve the right to re-assign your nation to another player if you are frequently late and/or miss sessions without making a reasonable effort to accomodate your fellow players.

3. No map trading with the AI, otherwise trade to your content.

4. After three years of warfare, you MUST accept an offer for peace that would otherwise decrease your stability if your warscore is -99 and if you are already at Stability -3.

5. If made a vassal by peace agreement, a minimum of 25 years shall be served.

6. No more than four territories can be taken per country in any single war versus a player. If territories are taken by an alliance the limit is six.
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Statistics and Game Information

The Royal Entente AAR Thread

 

[unmerged(11287)]

Those who are sure that can play, state it so, so we can change "interested" to "commited"

 

[unmerged(11287)]

Edited: Nevermind, Frease will play Portugal in the end

 

[fraese]

I think the way to do the NL is to either require it be released by Spain when that becomes possible in 1559, or don't list it as playable. This way it starts with Spanish maps and tech, which allows it to be significant, as it was historically. I for one have never seen the NL appear by revolt in an MP game. It's in Spain's interest to crush any revolts there.

An alternative would be Drake's setup for the NL, which is quite good, requiring it to be vassalized to Austria until 1559, though starting it with enough money to do something with.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

I think the way to do the NL is to either require it be released by Spain when that becomes possible in 1559, or don't list it as playable. This way it starts with Spanish maps and tech, which allows it to be significant, as it was historically. I for one have never seen the NL appear by revolt in an MP game. It's in Spain's interest to crush any revolts there.

An alternative would be Drake's setup for the NL, which is quite good, requiring it to be vassalized to Austria until 1559, though starting it with enough money to do something with.

that's because Spain uses not to have wars during the rebelions. I've seen many games Rebs took control of the situation when Spain had to face France and England.

it's better for me, Austria, if i have them as provinces, not as vassals

 

[admiral drake]

that's because Spain uses not to have wars during the rebelions. I've seen many games Rebs took control of the situation when Spain had to face France and England.

it's better for me, Austria, if i have them as provinces, not as vassals

actually doesn't matter since in the save where i released dutch i boosted the mp to austria to same level as before dutch got released anyway

income might be a little less but it isn't much

also note btw that i have a save without dutch released to with practicle same setup as the 1 in stats xept for few minor tweaks (like redcing starting army of most players and gold from poland/denmark but thats about it)

 

[fraese]

actually doesn't matter since in the save where i released dutch i boosted the mp to austria to same level as before dutch got released anyway

income might be a little less but it isn't much

also note btw that i have a save without dutch released to with practicle same setup as the 1 in stats xept for few minor tweaks (like redcing starting army of most players and gold from poland/denmark but thats about it)

Yeah, Drake's setup is ideal from both perspectives, really.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

I'll be losing more than 5000 ducats in yearly taxes.

 

[Al-Azrad]

Committed, ICQ: 18683313

 

[fraese]

So Pibe, we agree to do an early release NL as per Drake's scenario, with the specified compensations to Austria?

My votes:

Unlocked slider
No random leaders

 

[Brent15]

I think the way to do the NL is to either require it be released by Spain when that becomes possible in 1559, or don't list it as playable.

I agree, Im fine with a planned Netherland's release, as long as it is part of our rules.

So Pibe, we agree to do an early release NL as per Drake's scenario, with the specified compensations to Austria?

I'm not sure I follow, how early?

 

[fraese]

I'm not sure I follow, how early?


I agree, Im fine with a planned Netherland's release, as long as it is part of our rules.

Drake's scenario has NL released at the start as Austria's vassal, with Austria compensated by a manpower boost.

Pibe and I were talking about it on ICQ, I think we had agreed that this would be ok, so I'm hoping he'll post here about it as well.

Alternatively the 1559 release is alright too, so long as Holland gets some ducats to start with so it's not a total dog.

 

[Brent15]

Alternatively the 1559 release is alright too, so long as Holland gets some ducats to start with so it's not a total dog.

I would prefer the 1559 release (not that I don't want you to start with us ) and you should, of course, get some capital.

 

[admiral drake]

btw change my status to committed

 

[unmerged(36826)]

I agree with an early release Holland, with compensations to Austria.

Morocco will most probably need a few of edits, tech group to Orthodox for example. Any others that seem needed?

 

[Brent15]

Committed, ICQ: 18683313

Al-Azrad would you like to vote "No" to random leaders?
We have found ourselves in a draw.

 

[Brent15]

I agree with an early release Holland, with compensations to Austria.

My only objections are because I like to start things off as historically acurate as possible. If this is the option we take, my opinion would be that the Netherland's should be vassalized and allied with Austria until 1559. I went ahead and added it to our list of voting, just in case this is a tough call. If I am in the overwhelming minority, we'll just skip the voting phase. (I mean I will concede).

Morocco will most probably need a few of edits, tech group to Orthodox for example. Any others that seem needed?

I am still very against editing a nation to make it more playable.
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We still have alot of options to make decisions on in the setup of the game. I would really like to avoid too much voting. We should also disclose the rules. I will try to setup a good format to cover these items soon.

 

[Al-Azrad]

I agree with an early release Holland, with compensations to Austria.

Morocco will most probably need a few of edits, tech group to Orthodox for example. Any others that seem needed?

No need to edit, I'll take it as it is.

Indifferent to leaders, no to locked sliders.

 

[admiral drake]

I agree with an early release Holland, with compensations to Austria.

Morocco will most probably need a few of edits, tech group to Orthodox for example. Any others that seem needed?

depends what save/scenario you plan to use

but i think moroco his starting gold should be set to same as the rest (if it isn't)