The Romanian "Commonwealth" National Decision

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Romanian are also considered as South Slavic... Never understood why, but... Oh, and I agree with you (but not on the chauvinism part).

Game-play reasons. Expanding as Wallachia and Moldavia is hard enough without the income and rebellion penalties that come from owning a province of a different culture group.


Let's run through those you seem to disagree with:
- Scandinavia 1 king ruled denmark, sweden, norway, so yes in the game and in the timeperiod
- Germany, not possible in the game (Prussia, or german federation is not Germany, and prussia was in the timeperiod), if you check you'll see that all the comments about the formation talk about prussia so always double check your facts.
- Italy, I don't know enough about this to give a clear answer sorry, don't know if it's called italy either in-game, please show quote
- Greece. Formed in many different way before and after, belongs in the game.
- Hindustan, quite a few big nations around that area, not sure it's called hindustan in-game either?, please show quote
- Burgundy, seriously, what's complicated about this state? it was there, period.

So of the 6 examples 3 belong, 1 isn't there, despite you thinking it is, and 2 I need more information for an informed answer. And 0 of the 6 actually support your claim. I mean at the very least you could have found 1.
Klamar Union (PU) =/= Scandinavia (unified country). Unified Scandinavia never existed.
German federation is Germany.
You can go quote hunting for yourself. If there are EU 3 style unions Italy will definitely be in.
Unified Greece or any statal entity known as Greece did not exist in any shape or form during the game's time-frame. In fact a unified Greece did not exist since the death of Alexander the Great. Does not belong in the game.
Closest thing to a Hindustan was the Maurya empire in 200 AD. If a historical union does not belong (romania), neither does a fictional one.
Read the bit about Burgundy again. I mentioned Burgundy's ability to form France in EU 3 (a.k.a France gets conquered and Burgundy gets a national decision to reform France)
 
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I was just wondering if the Romanian principalities have an event to unite?

I recall that in EU3 you could form Romania if you held certain provinces. Pretty straightforward. And pretty impossible. [And pretty historical I suppose as it was only up in the Vicky period that things finally fell into place]

But after seeing Quill18's overview of Poland and Lithuania's national decisions revolving around the formation of the Commonwealth, I thought this could be replicated for Wallachia and Moldova. In particular the ability to enter into a personal union.

It would offer a little bit greater chance to unite the two principalities, which could make the regional game a little less predictable and more interesting for anyone playing Poland, Hungary, Ottomans or any balkan.

I assume this is not included in vanilla. It could certainly be considered as an addition in a patch or DLC.

Anybody else thinks this is an good idea?

Hardly. Wasn't the easiest union, but given the Ottomans propensity for collapse in 1399 starts it was absolutely doable (in fact, I did it in one of my early games). Ottomans get steam-rolled as usual, get the Golden Horde to accept your tribute until they start to collapse... then Westernize/suck up to Bohemia or Austria, whomever almost certainly crushes Hungary.
 

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the thing that bothers me the most is,the Transilvania region,wich is in game 100% chatolic hungarian,wich is so far from the historical truth.
Provinces have one culture and one religion. Exactly what those factors signify is a little unclear.
 

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Transylvania had a Hungarian majority until the late 17th/early 18th century. Also catholic majority (a large minority of the Romanian population was also western Christian thanks to the chouvinism of the Hungarian leadership).

Romania should be able to form by the unification of Moldavia and Wallachia, although she should get a Romanian culture shift decision if the newly formed Romania is able to take and core Transylvania.

BTW Vlad Tepes was more occupied with trying to fight back the Ottomans and internal politics than forming a new state beyond the Carpathians. Also he hated Wallachians as much as Hungarians and Saxons. He was a noble after all.
 

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The thing that kinda annoyed me most about the EU3 Romania formation was that it required the player holding Transylvania. That annoyed me because historically Romania formed even without Transylvania.
It was kinda like how in VickyII there's the North German Federation that you can form on your way to the German Empire proper.
Anyway, I think it would be cool to be able to form Romania without Transylvania, and later getting either missions or getting instant cores over the Transylvanian provinces.
basially I agree with Stratagyfan101. I just felt like talking about this topic after seeing the neat union decisions the poles and lithuanians got.

In conclusion: More love in the balkans makes this balkan fellow always happy :)

Yeah, personnally, I'd like to see Romania formable if the player has provinces and cores on Moldavia and Wallachia, and that, the formation of Romania would add cores on Transylvania.


edit: Oh, and, what sources do you have about that: "Transylvania had a Hungarian majority until the late 17th/early 18th century. Also catholic majority (a large minority of the Romanian population was also western Christian thanks to the chouvinism of the Hungarian leadership)."
 
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Transylvania had a Hungarian majority until the late 17th/early 18th century. Also catholic majority (a large minority of the Romanian population was also western Christian thanks to the chouvinism of the Hungarian leadership).

Romania should be able to form by the unification of Moldavia and Wallachia, although she should get a Romanian culture shift decision if the newly formed Romania is able to take and core Transylvania.

BTW Vlad Tepes was more occupied with trying to fight back the Ottomans and internal politics than forming a new state beyond the Carpathians. Also he hated Wallachians as much as Hungarians and Saxons. He was a noble after all.

can you please provide a non hungarian link that states that?Because it s a blatant hungarian chauvinist lie
 
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1.It is very strange that you need to conquer Moldavia ( if you are Wallachia ) and vice-versa to form Romania.They never was in fight,they just united.So they need a system like HRE or Commonwealth.
2.Why romanian countries are south-slavic ? o_O
3.Why transylvania provinces is hungarian and not romanian?Altough they has hungarian king and was annexed by Hungary,people was in majority romanian
4.Serbia should be a historical friend
 
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Aside from thread necromancy... Well
1.It is very strange that you need to conquer Moldavia ( if you are Wallachia ) and vice-versa to form Romania.They never was in fight,they just united.So they need a system like HRE or Commonwealth.
No you don't. You can play your marriage game and try to form a PU over the other parts. Or you can blob a bit so you can request the other part to become your vassal.
2.Why romanian countries are south-slavic ? o_O
Compromises. Why Basque is "Iberian"? Why Theodoro's Gothic is Byzantine?
4.Serbia should be a historical friend
Of whom?
 

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Aside from thread necromancy... Well

No you don't. You can play your marriage game and try to form a PU over the other parts. Or you can blob a bit so you can request the other part to become your vassal.

Compromises. Why Basque is "Iberian"? Why Theodoro's Gothic is Byzantine?

Of whom?


1.But where is the historically accuracy?It is not so hard for Paradox to make Unificate decision... And how you can ask Moldavia to become your vassal if you are ottoman's vassal?
I played with Wallachia and suddenly Moldavia turned to hostile because it desires Muntenia.This should not gonna happen.
P.S:If you break Wallachia and Moldavia free,they will be each other's rival.

4.of Romania and Wallachia,sorry I wasn't explicit
 

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In fact, Romania did form within the EU4 time frame, in 1600:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_the_Brave

But it didn't last too long. About a year. And it wasn't a peaceful union. Michael the Brave conquered the three provinces by war.

It could be interesting to give Romanian culture to Transylvania when forming Romania and remove Silistria from the required provinces, because Michael the Brave didn't get it in the union.

But, from a gameplay point of view, removing Silistria would make it too easy and it would be less challenging. And Hungarian becomes accepted anyway and it can remain accepted longer if Transylvania remains Hungarian. So, for game play reasons, I prefer to keep it as it is.
 

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Am I alone in thinking that the whole Polish-Lithuanian PU being destined to form every time is kinda lame? In very few rare cases do I see stuff like Poland getting a king before they can click that decision button or negative prestige causing the PU to break before they get to admin tech 10.
 

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Am I alone in thinking that the whole Polish-Lithuanian PU being destined to form every time is kinda lame? In very few rare cases do I see stuff like Poland getting a king before they can click that decision button or negative prestige causing the PU to break before they get to admin tech 10.
I'm not sure I've ever seen the Commonwealth. Even when I'm playing a Western European state or a very southeastward-looking Moscow/Russia (and thus not doing anything to hurt Poland).
 

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I'm not sure I've ever seen the Commonwealth. Even when I'm playing a Western European state or a very southeastward-looking Moscow/Russia (and thus not doing anything to hurt Poland).

It just formed in my colonial Sweden game, without any hitches or delays at all - the only way I "interfered" was by declaring war on Muscovy and using them and the Austrians to smack the Muscovites around. Having said that, this is the first time I've seen it in a 1.8 game - maybe having more formable nations like Kiev and Galicia-Volhynia to punch out of Lithuania and Poland makes them weaker and thus less likely to survive/form the Commonwealth?
 

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Game-play reasons. Expanding as Wallachia and Moldavia is hard enough without the income and rebellion penalties that come from owning a province of a different culture group.
- and why than hungarians are completely alien to everyone around them now? Because Hungary is so OP and needed nerf?
If Pdx made hungarians their own culture group they should also make romanians their own culture group and while we here it would be good to split up romanian culture in 2 or 3 different ones for historical reasons.:laugh:
 

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In fact, Romania did form within the EU4 time frame, in 1600:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_the_Brave

But, from a gameplay point of view, removing Silistria would make it too easy and it would be less challenging. And Hungarian becomes accepted anyway and it can remain accepted longer if Transylvania remains Hungarian. So, for game play reasons, I prefer to keep it as it is.

I don't even understand why Dobrogea was removed and Silistrea was put in the place of it.And is Romania unified in year 1600!? (In-game)
 

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Am I alone in thinking that the whole Polish-Lithuanian PU being destined to form every time is kinda lame? In very few rare cases do I see stuff like Poland getting a king before they can click that decision button or negative prestige causing the PU to break before they get to admin tech 10.
Agree,in every game they are to form PU...And if you play with Poland,it is to easy to conquer other lands and become a real power.At some point,this game needs to be more harder than it is.
 

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1.But where is the historically accuracy?
You do understand making Romanian its own cultural group means much much harder gameplay for Romania?
I played with Wallachia and suddenly Moldavia turned to hostile because it desires Muntenia.This should not gonna happen.
Why? Just because they weren't hostile in history? So they shouldn't be hostile even if Moldavia gets a Militarist ruler?
 

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You do understand making Romanian its own cultural group means much much harder gameplay for Romania?

Why? Just because they weren't hostile in history? So they shouldn't be hostile even if Moldavia gets a Militarist ruler?
Yes,even if moldavia gets a militarist ruler.
 

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Yes,even if moldavia gets a militarist ruler.

Well Portugal has in the beginning of the game a "Historical Friend" modifier towards Castile and yet that doesn't stop them in the later stages of the game from going ape when they randomly decide they want your provinces.