The Rise of Dalmatians
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A high debt and a bad going war. You'll probably have to take all of Imre's demesne before he agrees to your demands as he's a stubborn idiot and you know it. Whoever commands the Hungarians isn't all that stupid, as we all know it can't be Imre himself. You'll need another rebelling Duke soon or you'll just run out of men and money.
stnylan: He is being a pain in the.. you know what. I've crushed every single army he threw at me.. about 10 battles or so, took his capital twice.. bah. Well I looted his demesne so there! 
He has the realm duress trait, but not many wars going on, which is weird considering his diplomacy is 1(10).
Kramari,Dhimmi: Imre is still at war with the powerful duke of Pest and the unimportant count of Temes. All of Croatia is gone from his grasp, but most of them went peacefully. Even the count of Krizevci, whose county was occupied for 4 years before I freed it, has managed to sign a peace.
Jestor: Ouch indeed! I had about 100 gold a month in army maintenance, and not much of a treasury when I started the war.
CSK: Maybe I didn't make it clear, but Pest and Krakow are the whole of his demesne. That's why him freeing Krakow two weeks before I took Pest again ticked me off. But I didn't have enough men to split the troops, or at least that's how I felt. And then, another thing I didn't mention because I think it was a bug, one of the regiments I had in Hungary disbanded due to the commanders cowardice, although the guy shown in the event wasn't leading the regiment. And you're probably right about Imre not leading the show. As I said, the duke of Pest is quite strong and in war with Imre.
When I started the rebellion I didn't even check the event, I thought it was the one that just gave you the rebellious trait, and that then I would be able to break away peacefully. So it all caught me somewhat unprepared. After the second siege of Pest I had only about 4000 men in Hungary, and the huge debt, so I decided to disband them all, for I couldn't hope to keep Pest and get Krakow again. I hoped that Imre would get bored and offer a peace, providing that the Duke of Pest managed to irritate him long enough.
Update coming up shortly.
He has the realm duress trait, but not many wars going on, which is weird considering his diplomacy is 1(10).Kramari,Dhimmi: Imre is still at war with the powerful duke of Pest and the unimportant count of Temes. All of Croatia is gone from his grasp, but most of them went peacefully. Even the count of Krizevci, whose county was occupied for 4 years before I freed it, has managed to sign a peace.
Jestor: Ouch indeed! I had about 100 gold a month in army maintenance, and not much of a treasury when I started the war.
CSK: Maybe I didn't make it clear, but Pest and Krakow are the whole of his demesne. That's why him freeing Krakow two weeks before I took Pest again ticked me off. But I didn't have enough men to split the troops, or at least that's how I felt. And then, another thing I didn't mention because I think it was a bug, one of the regiments I had in Hungary disbanded due to the commanders cowardice, although the guy shown in the event wasn't leading the regiment. And you're probably right about Imre not leading the show.
As I said, the duke of Pest is quite strong and in war with Imre.When I started the rebellion I didn't even check the event, I thought it was the one that just gave you the rebellious trait, and that then I would be able to break away peacefully. So it all caught me somewhat unprepared. After the second siege of Pest I had only about 4000 men in Hungary, and the huge debt, so I decided to disband them all, for I couldn't hope to keep Pest and get Krakow again. I hoped that Imre would get bored and offer a peace, providing that the Duke of Pest managed to irritate him long enough.
Update coming up shortly.
Of Courtiers And Allies
When the duke returned home, he was confronted by his uncle Karlo, once the count of Zachlumia, who was tired of sitting around idly at the court and wanted a position on the council. As he was a man of limited talents in all areas of government, Josip informed him he had no use for his services, and after a heated argument Karlo left Split for the Principality of Dyrachion. His brother Mikac had passed away the previous year, and his large debt and claim on the county of Zachlumia were inherited by the elder of his two sons, who were both, for some unfathomable reason, called Tvrtko. They chose to remain in Split, and so the Zachlumia family was split, with the junior branch tying its future to the Marinovics.
In March the steward Isabella de Vere passed away, which was another big blow for the crippled Dalmatian treasury. Her position was taken up by Emerik Subic, the heir to the county of Senj, who had come to Split after a disagreement with his father. Under his guidance the county of Lecce soon recovered from the effects of the looting done by the Hungarians a year before.
The duke's brother Zdeslav finally succumbed to his wound and the resulting illness in May of 1229. He left behind him two children, the boy Stjepan now being the heir to the duchy since Josip still had no children of his own.
With Zdeslav's death the position of marshal was also left empty, and the old marshal Tvrko Kotromanic the heretic was reinstated. A couple of days later, Josip once again demanded gold from his vassals to help the recovery of the treasury.
In June the independent beydom of Euboia chose to declare war on Dalmatia. What they thought they could accomplish against the infinitely more powerful duchy is quite a mystery, but they never even put their plans into action, as Venice, who had control of the island of Naxos, chose to intervene and declared war on them as well, obviously wanting to spread their influence in the Aegean.
Later that month Pest was stormed by 15 000 Hungarian troops, and so Imre once again gained control of his capital.
Dalmatia did not return the favor to Venice when in late August the Tribe of Lithuania declared war on it, wishing to take some provinces that the republic owned in the north of Europe. Josip felt that, especially with there still being no peace with Imre, he could not waste money or men in another war. As if to prove him right, the castle in Napoli collapsed two weeks later due to the lack of funds for proper maintenance. The duke's honorable reputation and his benevolent rule made his people stop calling him arbitrary during that time.
In April of 1230 Emerik Subic inherited his father and left Split to take control of his county of Senj. Josip's grandmother Adelaide de Blois, now 62 years of age, once again took up the stewardship of the duchy. Soon after she called the estates general, and Josip craved a large contribution. This was thought to be reckless by many, but it did bring down the treasury's debt down to 700 gold ducats.
During that spring Venetian troops marching through Hungary's lowlands towards Byzantium, thus saving on the shipping cost towards Euboia, sent reports that it appeared some of Imre's troops were moving southward. Josip knew that the Split regiment was not enough for the defense of his capital should a considerable army come to attack it, so he ordered that the Foggia and Lecce soldiers be mobilized and shipped over the Adriatic. But just as the embarking was in progress in June of 1230, it was a Hungarian envoy, not an army, that came to the Dalmatian court. He brought an offer of peace from Imre, who seemed to have lost his interest in the duchy, for he was still fighting with the duke of Pest and the count of Temes. Josip accepted the offer, and so finally the duchy of Dalmatia gained its freedom.
The Rise of Dalmatians
Part IV: Duke Josip the Treacherous
Chapter III: Of Courtiers And Allies
Part IV: Duke Josip the Treacherous
Chapter III: Of Courtiers And Allies
When the duke returned home, he was confronted by his uncle Karlo, once the count of Zachlumia, who was tired of sitting around idly at the court and wanted a position on the council. As he was a man of limited talents in all areas of government, Josip informed him he had no use for his services, and after a heated argument Karlo left Split for the Principality of Dyrachion. His brother Mikac had passed away the previous year, and his large debt and claim on the county of Zachlumia were inherited by the elder of his two sons, who were both, for some unfathomable reason, called Tvrtko. They chose to remain in Split, and so the Zachlumia family was split, with the junior branch tying its future to the Marinovics.
In March the steward Isabella de Vere passed away, which was another big blow for the crippled Dalmatian treasury. Her position was taken up by Emerik Subic, the heir to the county of Senj, who had come to Split after a disagreement with his father. Under his guidance the county of Lecce soon recovered from the effects of the looting done by the Hungarians a year before.
The duke's brother Zdeslav finally succumbed to his wound and the resulting illness in May of 1229. He left behind him two children, the boy Stjepan now being the heir to the duchy since Josip still had no children of his own.
With Zdeslav's death the position of marshal was also left empty, and the old marshal Tvrko Kotromanic the heretic was reinstated. A couple of days later, Josip once again demanded gold from his vassals to help the recovery of the treasury.
In June the independent beydom of Euboia chose to declare war on Dalmatia. What they thought they could accomplish against the infinitely more powerful duchy is quite a mystery, but they never even put their plans into action, as Venice, who had control of the island of Naxos, chose to intervene and declared war on them as well, obviously wanting to spread their influence in the Aegean.
Later that month Pest was stormed by 15 000 Hungarian troops, and so Imre once again gained control of his capital.
Dalmatia did not return the favor to Venice when in late August the Tribe of Lithuania declared war on it, wishing to take some provinces that the republic owned in the north of Europe. Josip felt that, especially with there still being no peace with Imre, he could not waste money or men in another war. As if to prove him right, the castle in Napoli collapsed two weeks later due to the lack of funds for proper maintenance. The duke's honorable reputation and his benevolent rule made his people stop calling him arbitrary during that time.
In April of 1230 Emerik Subic inherited his father and left Split to take control of his county of Senj. Josip's grandmother Adelaide de Blois, now 62 years of age, once again took up the stewardship of the duchy. Soon after she called the estates general, and Josip craved a large contribution. This was thought to be reckless by many, but it did bring down the treasury's debt down to 700 gold ducats.
During that spring Venetian troops marching through Hungary's lowlands towards Byzantium, thus saving on the shipping cost towards Euboia, sent reports that it appeared some of Imre's troops were moving southward. Josip knew that the Split regiment was not enough for the defense of his capital should a considerable army come to attack it, so he ordered that the Foggia and Lecce soldiers be mobilized and shipped over the Adriatic. But just as the embarking was in progress in June of 1230, it was a Hungarian envoy, not an army, that came to the Dalmatian court. He brought an offer of peace from Imre, who seemed to have lost his interest in the duchy, for he was still fighting with the duke of Pest and the count of Temes. Josip accepted the offer, and so finally the duchy of Dalmatia gained its freedom.
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Now you can work on debt recovery.. and concentrate on Italy!
Congrats on your freedom, by the way.
Congrats on your freedom, by the way.
So Imre realised a peace with you would be the best for him? How long did it take him to do that? At least now you can recover. Still, next time Hungary struggles you should strike and gain the title King of Croatia by that.
Kramari: Luck had nothing do to with it! It was my superb leadership and diplomatic skills that did the trick! As for what Josip will do next... many great things!
stnylan: Exactly! One has to wonder if it would have been better if I hadn't gone to Hungary with my troops at all, and so saved a lot of money.
Jestor: Yeah.. the debt. Again. As for concetrating on Italy.. well, I will look for opprtunity there as well, but the Croatian crown is my main goal. And thank you.
CSK: It took the idiot two years of war, there being no battles for the last year since I withdrew from Hungary. How he ever hoped he could take all my demesne in the first place is beyond me! As for the title of King of Croatia... well at the start of the scenario the Hungarian kings don't have it! I made mention of this in the IP feedback thread and I hope it will be rectified in the future. But none of the Arpads took the title afterwards either, so nobody holds it at the moment and it shall have to be created. But this also has the advantage of Imre or his descendants not being able to take Croatia back without much trouble.
Update coming up
As for what Josip will do next... many great things! stnylan: Exactly! One has to wonder if it would have been better if I hadn't gone to Hungary with my troops at all, and so saved a lot of money.
Jestor: Yeah.. the debt. Again.
As for concetrating on Italy.. well, I will look for opprtunity there as well, but the Croatian crown is my main goal. And thank you. CSK: It took the idiot two years of war, there being no battles for the last year since I withdrew from Hungary. How he ever hoped he could take all my demesne in the first place is beyond me! As for the title of King of Croatia... well at the start of the scenario the Hungarian kings don't have it! I made mention of this in the IP feedback thread and I hope it will be rectified in the future. But none of the Arpads took the title afterwards either, so nobody holds it at the moment and it shall have to be created. But this also has the advantage of Imre or his descendants not being able to take Croatia back without much trouble.
Update coming up
Of Wise Sheiks And Silly Beys
As the Lecce and Foggia regiments were already raised by Tvrtko Kotromanic and Tvrtko of Zachlumia when the peace with Imre was signed, Josip felt the time was right to do some expansion before he settles down to repay the debt in full. The sheikdom of Benevento had in the meantime become part of the Emirate of Assassin, which had grown fairly powerful in the Levant, and attacking it would have probably led to a protracted and costly war. But the sheikdom of Reggio was still independent, and the duke traveled to Napoli to mobilize the local troops himself while giving orders to the two Tvrtkos to meet him in Cosenza. The army was assembled there in August of 1230 upon which war was declared on Reggio.
The 5000 Dalmatian men defeated the 2000 troops of sheik Azam Shaheen in October, and in November the city itself fell. The Shaheens and their advisors asked Josip to give them shelter at his court, which he agreed to do. This would prove to be a very wise choice by the Muslim family, for it is doubtful they would have played such an important role in later years had they gone somewhere else. The merciful treatment the duke gave to his enemies finally proved to his people that the cruel streak that marked Josip as a child was gone.
In January of 1231 it came to the duke's attention that the nobles in Napoli held too much power. Josip felt that under the royal preorgatory all parts of his population should have equal influence.
After reducing the noblemen's power in Napoli itself, he issued a series of decrees that balanced the situation in other provinces as well. Although those that lost some of their influence in this way were none too happy about it, these actions was still considered by many to be proof of how just Josip was. This view was reinforced when accusations of his heretic marshal practicing black magic were brought before the duke. Josip chose to hold a fair trial locally, in which Tvrtko was cleared of all charges.
A couple of months later, Josip's brother Nikola came of age and the duke set about arranging a marriage for him. In April he asked for the hand of Emoke of Krizevci, the daughter of Lajos count of Krizevci, who was more then happy to agree to better his relations with the man who had liberated his county from the Hungarians. Emoke was a very competent young woman, and she soon took the position of chancellor on Josip's council, thus replacing Kresimir of Split.
In August a loss of support for the war at the court of the bey of Euboia offered an opportunity to sign a white peace with the heathens, and Josip agreed to do so, so that his country was finally at peace. Veneto had also previously signed a peace with them, so the bey's thoughtlessness did not have any serious repercussions.
September brought the duke some eagerly awaited news. His wife Gyorgyi was finally with child.
The Rise of Dalmatians
Part IV: Duke Josip the Treacherous
Chapter IV: Of Wise Sheiks And Silly Beys
Part IV: Duke Josip the Treacherous
Chapter IV: Of Wise Sheiks And Silly Beys
As the Lecce and Foggia regiments were already raised by Tvrtko Kotromanic and Tvrtko of Zachlumia when the peace with Imre was signed, Josip felt the time was right to do some expansion before he settles down to repay the debt in full. The sheikdom of Benevento had in the meantime become part of the Emirate of Assassin, which had grown fairly powerful in the Levant, and attacking it would have probably led to a protracted and costly war. But the sheikdom of Reggio was still independent, and the duke traveled to Napoli to mobilize the local troops himself while giving orders to the two Tvrtkos to meet him in Cosenza. The army was assembled there in August of 1230 upon which war was declared on Reggio.
The 5000 Dalmatian men defeated the 2000 troops of sheik Azam Shaheen in October, and in November the city itself fell. The Shaheens and their advisors asked Josip to give them shelter at his court, which he agreed to do. This would prove to be a very wise choice by the Muslim family, for it is doubtful they would have played such an important role in later years had they gone somewhere else. The merciful treatment the duke gave to his enemies finally proved to his people that the cruel streak that marked Josip as a child was gone.
In January of 1231 it came to the duke's attention that the nobles in Napoli held too much power. Josip felt that under the royal preorgatory all parts of his population should have equal influence.
After reducing the noblemen's power in Napoli itself, he issued a series of decrees that balanced the situation in other provinces as well. Although those that lost some of their influence in this way were none too happy about it, these actions was still considered by many to be proof of how just Josip was. This view was reinforced when accusations of his heretic marshal practicing black magic were brought before the duke. Josip chose to hold a fair trial locally, in which Tvrtko was cleared of all charges.
A couple of months later, Josip's brother Nikola came of age and the duke set about arranging a marriage for him. In April he asked for the hand of Emoke of Krizevci, the daughter of Lajos count of Krizevci, who was more then happy to agree to better his relations with the man who had liberated his county from the Hungarians. Emoke was a very competent young woman, and she soon took the position of chancellor on Josip's council, thus replacing Kresimir of Split.
In August a loss of support for the war at the court of the bey of Euboia offered an opportunity to sign a white peace with the heathens, and Josip agreed to do so, so that his country was finally at peace. Veneto had also previously signed a peace with them, so the bey's thoughtlessness did not have any serious repercussions.
September brought the duke some eagerly awaited news. His wife Gyorgyi was finally with child.
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Well that was a very good move, taking the opportunity to expand your Italian domain. Perhaps one day the King of Naples beckons?
And peace, and a child, what more could the Duke want?
And peace, and a child, what more could the Duke want?
Finally, a child and heir. That is great news indeed after reading of the white peace and thus freedom offered by the King of Hungary. I just hope he allows you some peace for awhile rather then trying to win his lost Duchy back after he has finished with his other problems.
wow you have done nicely, and you even found a multifunctional wife for the duke his brother
stnylan: One day perhaps. Still far away though. And the duke wants much much more!
kramari: The kingdom of Croatia is my first priority! But Josip has do to a lot to get there. Much prestige needed.
coz1: Hmm, a child yes, but it doesn't have to be an heir. Imre will soon manage to pacify Hungary, but he'll have other problems in the near future.
Dhimmi: Yeah the wife is quite good. And the one for the youngest brother will be as well.
Update coming up in a few minutes.
And the duke wants much much more! kramari: The kingdom of Croatia is my first priority! But Josip has do to a lot to get there. Much prestige needed.
coz1: Hmm, a child yes, but it doesn't have to be an heir. Imre will soon manage to pacify Hungary, but he'll have other problems in the near future.
Dhimmi: Yeah the wife is quite good. And the one for the youngest brother will be as well.
Update coming up in a few minutes.
Of Questionable Loyalties
The duke's cousins and vassals, the counts of Southern Ural and Kuban, infuriated by Josip's repeated demands for gold, in October threatened to revolt unless he changes the ruling law of the duchy to feudal contract.
Josip was most adamant in his refusal, and this show of strength served to increase his standing amongst other rulers, for the debt the treasury had incurred and the resulting sale of the duchy's infrastructure had seriously damaged it, but it also gave him the reputation of an overly proud person. He did however lower the scutage for a time, so as not to overly test his cousins' loyalty.
In November the Pope declared the end of the crusade, which had been going on for 20 years. The count of Reims had liberated Jerusalem, but overall the strength of the kingdom of Egypt had not been seriously reduced. News arrived from the north that Imre had managed to sign an agreement with the duke of Pest and the count of Heves, taking the province of Csanad for himself but letting the duke keep all of his possessions in the east. So for a time Hungary was at peace.
Although the treasury was still in debt, with the windmills in Napoli sold as well it was brought down to 620 gold ducats, Josip started making plans for expansion. His wish was ultimately to recreate the kingdom of Croatia, but first he wanted to increase his powerbase and gain control of the shipping on the Adriatic. Naturally, the duchy's biggest adversary in this was its ally Veneto. The doge at that time was nine year old Marco di San Bonifazio, but the strings were of course pulled by his council. They had laid claim to its northern neighbor, the county of Treviso, which was not very appreciated by its owner. Although count Bartolomeo did not rule a particularly powerful county, he did have much influence with the Pope and he managed to convince him to excommunicate the child.
The people of Venice called to their ally Josip to free them of the rule of the reckless council and the faithless child, or at least that was the reason given as the duke used his newly gained prestige to lay claim to the title of count of Venezia.
In February of 1232 Josip's youngest brother Slavac came of age. The duke set out to find him a bride that would be able to take control of the duchy's stewardship from their aging grandmother. In April the match was made, as Slavac married another of Adelaide's grandchildren, Klaudija of Lukomorie, the daughter of Bernarda Marinovic who was the sister of his and Josip’s father Domagoj. Klaudija was indeed very talented in matters of finance, and she took the position of steward immediately after the wedding.
Gyorgyi gave birth to the duke's first child in June, a daughter they named Mihaela. Although Josip had been hoping for a son and heir, it was not a pressing matter, as he had his nephew Stjepan and his brothers Nikola and Slavac to carry on the family line should ill befall him.
September saw the removal of the last Muslim presence on the Apennine peninsula, as the duchy of Lothian captured the county of Benevento. One month later the heretic marshal Tvrtko Kotromanic was finally excommunicated by the Pope. Not wishing to anger the head of the Church by having such an advisor, especially since Tvrtko wasn't very competent, Josip once again removed him from his position and gave it to his brother Nikola, who had finished his training in the army and became a knowledgeable tactician.
This was one of the last actions of Pope Torgodorio, as he passed away in January of 1233, with Manuel the bishop of Ravenna being chosen as his successor.
The Rise of Dalmatians
Part IV: Duke Josip the Treacherous
Chapter V: Of Questionable Loyalties
Part IV: Duke Josip the Treacherous
Chapter V: Of Questionable Loyalties
The duke's cousins and vassals, the counts of Southern Ural and Kuban, infuriated by Josip's repeated demands for gold, in October threatened to revolt unless he changes the ruling law of the duchy to feudal contract.
Josip was most adamant in his refusal, and this show of strength served to increase his standing amongst other rulers, for the debt the treasury had incurred and the resulting sale of the duchy's infrastructure had seriously damaged it, but it also gave him the reputation of an overly proud person. He did however lower the scutage for a time, so as not to overly test his cousins' loyalty.
In November the Pope declared the end of the crusade, which had been going on for 20 years. The count of Reims had liberated Jerusalem, but overall the strength of the kingdom of Egypt had not been seriously reduced. News arrived from the north that Imre had managed to sign an agreement with the duke of Pest and the count of Heves, taking the province of Csanad for himself but letting the duke keep all of his possessions in the east. So for a time Hungary was at peace.
Although the treasury was still in debt, with the windmills in Napoli sold as well it was brought down to 620 gold ducats, Josip started making plans for expansion. His wish was ultimately to recreate the kingdom of Croatia, but first he wanted to increase his powerbase and gain control of the shipping on the Adriatic. Naturally, the duchy's biggest adversary in this was its ally Veneto. The doge at that time was nine year old Marco di San Bonifazio, but the strings were of course pulled by his council. They had laid claim to its northern neighbor, the county of Treviso, which was not very appreciated by its owner. Although count Bartolomeo did not rule a particularly powerful county, he did have much influence with the Pope and he managed to convince him to excommunicate the child.
The people of Venice called to their ally Josip to free them of the rule of the reckless council and the faithless child, or at least that was the reason given as the duke used his newly gained prestige to lay claim to the title of count of Venezia.
In February of 1232 Josip's youngest brother Slavac came of age. The duke set out to find him a bride that would be able to take control of the duchy's stewardship from their aging grandmother. In April the match was made, as Slavac married another of Adelaide's grandchildren, Klaudija of Lukomorie, the daughter of Bernarda Marinovic who was the sister of his and Josip’s father Domagoj. Klaudija was indeed very talented in matters of finance, and she took the position of steward immediately after the wedding.
Gyorgyi gave birth to the duke's first child in June, a daughter they named Mihaela. Although Josip had been hoping for a son and heir, it was not a pressing matter, as he had his nephew Stjepan and his brothers Nikola and Slavac to carry on the family line should ill befall him.
September saw the removal of the last Muslim presence on the Apennine peninsula, as the duchy of Lothian captured the county of Benevento. One month later the heretic marshal Tvrtko Kotromanic was finally excommunicated by the Pope. Not wishing to anger the head of the Church by having such an advisor, especially since Tvrtko wasn't very competent, Josip once again removed him from his position and gave it to his brother Nikola, who had finished his training in the army and became a knowledgeable tactician.
This was one of the last actions of Pope Torgodorio, as he passed away in January of 1233, with Manuel the bishop of Ravenna being chosen as his successor.
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Well, with freedom assured it is typical that your own vassals now try to get what they want!
yup stiil 1 thing remains unclear for me, did you change the law to feudal contract after all?
Venice! Oh beautiful Venice, throned on her hundred isles!
With such a city in their hands the Marinovic family will become truly a force to be reckoned with - can't wait to hear of the conquest!
(Edit: Oh and by the way what are you, some sort of updating machine? The pace on this AAR is incredible!)
With such a city in their hands the Marinovic family will become truly a force to be reckoned with - can't wait to hear of the conquest!
(Edit: Oh and by the way what are you, some sort of updating machine? The pace on this AAR is incredible!)