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I cannot do much right this minute, but if you want something to read and need advice, here are some suggestions - I really want to get back into @TheButterflyComposer's great work - The Empire of Albion. I dearly love @Asantahene's The Wolves of Westseaxna-a tale of Wessex. @JabberJock14's Before Plantagenet – A House d’Anjou AAR is a revelation for narrative fans and a thing we need more of in these parts! And by the way, @stnylan has a new one going in Victoria II - A VictoriAARn Education - Learning Victoria II with Sweden. These are but a few of those that I follow and almost exclusively don't leave comment because I am behind and want to catch up before I say something. (I am still eagerly waiting for @Stuyvesant to catch up to this one and that I keep going will cause him even more time. ;) )

I'll read the last one certainly. I have a feeling I might need to know a little bit of how to play that one...
As for the others, the wolves of westseaxna moves a little faster than this one and has reached the crusades, with a bang. To complete the trifecta of Albion love we have my work, which is not narrative based and instead is a history book AAR describing how the Pendragons took over the world through the power of bullshit and makebelieve.

If you for some reason don't want to read a ck2 story about England (weirdos) then you might look for Before Plantagenet, which is about the French.

In England.

We have a lot of variety here on the ck2 forums. You can pick Albion or Byzantium! Two choices! I mean, what were you going to do with a third option?

Eadgar sat his cup down and looked to his son with a serious face, “Our Lord of Normandy seems to have won his victory in France.”

“Indeed,” Eadgar picked up his drink again to finish it off. “He had some claim to Brugge I understood, but has apparently taken the entirety of Flanders from the French Queen.”

In doing so, made himself (inuniverse if not ingame) the richest duke in the world and moved himself to the very near top of the HRE's invasion list. They know England will not move to help their Norman vassals.

It isn't true that Wales and Brittany are much the same in terms of potential. If you were aggressive, Brittany would be the better choice but to be honest, Wales and the rest of Albion are a much better choice in general, especially with such a massive empire on the continent. I feel like if they can make it worth the Germans while, they won't invade the islands themsevles. It wouldn't be too bloody difficult, and they don't have a claim....

Oh wait...the rightful heir is married to a Germany girl in the heartland of their lands, isn't he? I literally just thought of that.

..humph. Lucky the game isn't that good at mirroring real life or the heir might have found himself in the position Harold godwinson was in when William 'saved his life' if you know what I mean. But wouldn't it be amazing if that could happen? Ck3, paradox needs to put that in!
 

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Good for Eadward! (If there was any doubt of his loyalty for his father, it's gone now.) I couldn't help but smile now that he finally has a county to call his own.

Eadgar frets a bit about the civil war, but Eadward is right - if they fight each other - especially the Saxon dukes against Robert, they are hardly in a position to challenge the king. Those factions could be key in keeping the realm whole (ironically enough) when Eadgar dies.

And thank you for the shoutout! Glad you have enjoyed it and I'll aim to check the others out as well.
 

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Well that is a pleasant surprise Eadger has sprung.

The dissent in the realm is a difficult one to call. Hopefully the fighting will remain fully on the Continent. Skuli ... has always been loyal. Eadger has misjudged him time and again.

But one wonders why now to grant this county? What is driving Eadger here? It is as it he is trying to settle his affairs. He must be getting on now.
 

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Finally caught up (sorry @coz1 been at Glasyonbury and recovering after lol). An excellent few chapters-I especially loved the roll call of the great and good of the land: a neat way to remind us all of who's who. Well done.

As for Eadward's: about time the lad's unending loyalty was rewarded and rightly do but I'm minded of what will happen when Eadgar dies. If I know CK2 Eadward will not obediently fall into line. He will be a pretender and now has the means to do his pretending.

As for the Norman/Saxon clashes within the realm I'd ask how close you are to further augmenting royal authority to pass laws forbidding your vassals to fight amongst themselves?
 

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I was really late (and for other AARs, it's even worse :confused: ) but I finally caught up too. And it was, as always, a pleasant read.

It's nice too see Eadward's loyalty rewarded in the end. He deserves this for his unconditional support. Now, let's see if this will be a pain for his brother. Some vassals will certainly took advantage of that for their own agenda.
But, we have time to see all this, Eadgar is not dead yet.

Keep up (and I have no doubt you will), I have read a lot of your AAR the past few days, but I want more. :p
 

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Well deserved gift, that land. And about time. He's been loyal for a long time.
 

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Fb-fb:

I'll read the last one certainly. I have a feeling I might need to know a little bit of how to play that one...
As for the others, the wolves of westseaxna moves a little faster than this one and has reached the crusades, with a bang. To complete the trifecta of Albion love we have my work, which is not narrative based and instead is a history book AAR describing how the Pendragons took over the world through the power of bullshit and makebelieve.

If you for some reason don't want to read a ck2 story about England (weirdos) then you might look for Before Plantagenet, which is about the French.

In England.

We have a lot of variety here on the ck2 forums. You can pick Albion or Byzantium! Two choices! I mean, what were you going to do with a third option?





In doing so, made himself (inuniverse if not ingame) the richest duke in the world and moved himself to the very near top of the HRE's invasion list. They know England will not move to help their Norman vassals.

It isn't true that Wales and Brittany are much the same in terms of potential. If you were aggressive, Brittany would be the better choice but to be honest, Wales and the rest of Albion are a much better choice in general, especially with such a massive empire on the continent. I feel like if they can make it worth the Germans while, they won't invade the islands themsevles. It wouldn't be too bloody difficult, and they don't have a claim....

Oh wait...the rightful heir is married to a Germany girl in the heartland of their lands, isn't he? I literally just thought of that.

..humph. Lucky the game isn't that good at mirroring real life or the heir might have found himself in the position Harold godwinson was in when William 'saved his life' if you know what I mean. But wouldn't it be amazing if that could happen? Ck3, paradox needs to put that in!
I must admit, I am not entirely certain what you mean with your last point, but there is certainly reason to consider the HRE in light of this latest gambit by Robert. In truth, I could DoW the HRE if I wanted over claims Robert now has to neighboring land around Flanders now held held by the Empire. But I won't. The Duke of Normandy (and now Duke of Flanders) is far too powerful already, and yes, likely very rich. As for claims in England, I doubt Uhtræd's marriage provides that in any way unless/until one of his children wishes to make a play and gets massive support from the Emperor (or somehow becomes Emperor himself.)

Good for Eadward! (If there was any doubt of his loyalty for his father, it's gone now.) I couldn't help but smile now that he finally has a county to call his own.

Eadgar frets a bit about the civil war, but Eadward is right - if they fight each other - especially the Saxon dukes against Robert, they are hardly in a position to challenge the king. Those factions could be key in keeping the realm whole (ironically enough) when Eadgar dies.

And thank you for the shoutout! Glad you have enjoyed it and I'll aim to check the others out as well.
A very good point about the factions and what it will mean when Eadgar passes. As well, as long as Robert keeps fighting, he is unable to muster the forces to invade England and push his factional claim. We will see how long that lasts.

Well that is a pleasant surprise Eadger has sprung.

The dissent in the realm is a difficult one to call. Hopefully the fighting will remain fully on the Continent. Skuli ... has always been loyal. Eadger has misjudged him time and again.

But one wonders why now to grant this county? What is driving Eadger here? It is as it he is trying to settle his affairs. He must be getting on now.
Eadgar is getting on and there may be something to that in why now he grants it. That and he has promised Eadward for some time and only now has enough to gift. Even there, it was tough to do in game-play terms because Eadgar (or the King) needs all the personal land he can get. And indeed, Eadgar has misjudged our Lord Skuli many times over. At least his sons like the old Duke.

Eadward finally gets that plot of land to call his own. It's a shame that Madrun will never let him hear the end about whom he owes for this good fortune -- and not just his father ;)
Oh, Madrun will have much to say about all of this. Believe that! In truth, that may have been part of her plan all along - if she was going to lose it, then get someone in there that she may have some amount of control over. Perhaps.

Finally caught up (sorry @coz1 been at Glasyonbury and recovering after lol). An excellent few chapters-I especially loved the roll call of the great and good of the land: a neat way to remind us all of who's who. Well done.

As for Eadward's: about time the lad's unending loyalty was rewarded and rightly do but I'm minded of what will happen when Eadgar dies. If I know CK2 Eadward will not obediently fall into line. He will be a pretender and now has the means to do his pretending.

As for the Norman/Saxon clashes within the realm I'd ask how close you are to further augmenting royal authority to pass laws forbidding your vassals to fight amongst themselves?
No worries and good to see you back! As for Eadward, he will have some small means of pretending but as long as the heir can keep him happy, it ought to work out all right for now. Going down the road? Well, many things can change over the years. As for the Royal Authority, I thought with high crown authority they could not so maybe it is not WAD or it is just a fluke since Skuli was already making his claim on Flanders and it just kept going regardless of who owned it. I figured this the best way to explain in story terms even if it is a glitch.

I was really late (and for other AARs, it's even worse :confused: ) but I finally caught up too. And it was, as always, a pleasant read.

It's nice too see Eadward's loyalty rewarded in the end. He deserves this for his unconditional support. Now, let's see if this will be a pain for his brother. Some vassals will certainly took advantage of that for their own agenda.
But, we have time to see all this, Eadgar is not dead yet.

Keep up (and I have no doubt you will), I have read a lot of your AAR the past few days, but I want more. :p
Good to see you back as well! And fear not, there is plenty more coming. As a heads up, a rather mammoth post happens in just a few days as we see an old friend return.

Eadward is indeed rather pleased. Yet he will remain slightly unsettled due to issue that will be explained going forward. He will be loyal to his brother, at least at first. Can't say more than that just yet.

Well deserved gift, that land. And about time. He's been loyal for a long time.
Indeed, Eadward has proved to be as gifted as his Eadwin before him in diplomacy at least, if not in full maturity. He is definitely loyal to his family which may be the biggest strength his has for Eadgar.


To all - the next update arrives in just a moment. We will finally see the long time coming resolution to the Mercia feud and I had some fun with it. Thank you all so much for reading and enjoying and if you have chance, the new round of ACAs just opened up so head on over to the General Discussion area and vote for this or any number of other fantastic AARs. :)
 
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Eadgar is getting on and there may be something to that in why now he grants it. That and he has promised Eadward for some time and only now has enough to gift. Even there, it was tough to do in game-play terms because Eadgar (or the King) needs all the personal land he can get. And indeed, Eadgar has misjudged our Lord Skuli many times over. At least his sons like the old Duke.
To be honest I have a hard time of thinking of Skuli as old as well, though he has surely been about a bit now as well.
 

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The Rightful King


Hereford, England - August 1107


The young girl sat in her raised chair with her feet not able to even touch the floor. She swung them about in their freedom and yet kept a fierce gaze in her eyes as three men were brought before her and made to kneel. One was her uncle and the other two, men that had assisted him in his rebellion. The young Duchess looked at them all with great scorn.


“Hlothere…who be these men?” the Duchess asked.

Her aunt Heregyth stood behind her and bent to her ear, “This be my brother and the men that wished to take from you what is yours.”

The spymaster of Mercia stood tall in front of her, “My lady wife is correct, Duchess…these be your scoundrels.”

The Duchess hopped from her chair and moved to look each in the face, stopping on her uncle, “Why would you try to take this from your brother…my father? Did you not love him?”

“My lovely niece…” Ælfgær began to say until Hlothere swatted him on the head.

“You would speak to the Lady of Mercia with respect!”

As she kept her gaze at him, Ælfgær tried to smile, “My Duchess…I was led into this ill formed. I hold nothing but the deepest regard for your father…my brother…I did not wish this. You must believe me!”

The little Duchess looked to her uncle, “Lord Hlothere…does this man speak true?”

The Earl of Gwent looked to his wife first and then back to young Wulfrun, “He does not, my Lady. He has conspired with poor men to act unkindly towards you. I bring them before you as supplicants so you may tell us what to do with them.”

Wulfrun looked to him with question, “You be my regent, sir…what would you have done with them?”

“It is whatever your desire may be, my great Lady,” Hlothere bowed.

The young girl looked back to the men and then moved to her raised chair. She took a step or two to put herself back into position but then brushed a small hair from her face and looked upon them with a stern frown, “You three have tried to take something that is not yours. I like it not and the King tells me that I should be greatly angered by this action.”

Ælfgær raised his head, “The King likes you not, my Lady!”

“Do not speak to her!” Heregyth moved down the step to look at her brother with fierce eyes. “Your love for our brother was no less so and I question your love for our father after this action!”

Hlothere stood behind him, “The great Duke Eadwin would find your fault, sir. These men have not served you well.”

The young Duchess watched as her uncle tried to move from his chains, “I have nothing but love for you, girl!”

Wulfrun swung her legs again in the tall chair and smiled, “I think my aunt does speak true, as does my uncle. I value their counsel but I cannot value yours. My father would find it wrong in every way.”

“Your father died too young at the hands of this King!” Ælfgær shouted.

The girl twisted her smile slightly but found it again, “I think not. I have met His Grace and he and the Queen are nothing if not kind men and women. They both have been most comforting to this family and it looks to me that you are not.”

“You are a snake, Ælfgær!” Heregyth looked to her brother with anger, “While you wish to stay in the garden, you strike as if you have no home! For shame on you!”

The man looked to his niece with pleading eyes, “I would never wish you harm, sweet girl…my lady.”

Wulfrun looked to her master of spies with question and let Hlothere answer, “You would take this great lady’s place, sir! That is your harm. Look to these men beside you. Did they have your own worth in mind?”

Ælfgær looked again to his niece, “I know them not well, my Lady. I did mean you no offense.”

Heregyth moved back to stand next to her niece and placed a hand on her shoulder.

“Where be your lady mother?!” Ælfgær pleaded to his niece. “Surely she may say what harm I do to your father!”

Wulfrun’s aunt stood tall, “The Lady Maud goes to marry a Norman now and lives amongst the wolves in Duke Robert’s court. He may find her a suitable bride, but we think she not able to counsel our great Lady. Mayhap that be why you speak to her so…do you wish to declare for the Norman?”

“I wish all for Mercia, my Lady!” her uncle bowed his head with tears in his eyes.

The young Duchess simply gave all three men a sharp eye. She watched them all and then finally found some words, “There is naught I may do about this man from Wessex. I have been told that he is not mine to punish. The King may do so in his time.”

The man from Earl Richard’s court bowed his head deeply, “The Duke of Normandy thanks you, my Lady.”

She did not smile as she continued to look on the three men, “I am told the best to do with my Earl of Gloucester is prison and I think it just.”

Æthelsige moved to respond and found his head in pain after the spymaster of Mercia swatted it without mercy.

“But you, Uncle…” the girl Duchess looked at him with a sharp eye, “You wound me, I think. I am but a child and yet you take your advantage. I think I like this not.”

“I wish the best for the House of Hwicce, my Lady,” he attempted to respond.

Duchess Wulfrun looked to her aunt and she responded instead, “The House of Hwicce is sound, sir. And no thanks to you. This child’s cousin in York is sound and so is she. You harm this great family with your actions and she will speak her words.”

“Indeed, it is prison for you, Uncle,” Wulfrun gave a small nod. “You will have time enough to think about my father and all you have done to him.”

Ælfgær gave a heavy sigh and lowered his head, “Mine own father will turn in his grave.”

The young Duchess stopped her legs and looked to him with great seriousness, “You will have time to consider that too…Uncle. Think about that well before you wish to rise against my House again!”

 
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Only eleven, and so headstrong! But also very dependent on her councillors, of course. She is but a pawn...for now.
 

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I feel I might know some of the inspiration for Wulfrun :)

It does feel that, with a little maturity, she could become someone to be feared.
 

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The Hwicce blood certainly runs strong in her veins, tempered though it is by her age and her regency -- and those stats are incredible for her age, considering she doesn't have an education trait yet! She's definitely one worth keeping an eye on.
 

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I must admit, I am not entirely certain what you mean with your last point, but there is certainly reason to consider the HRE in light of this latest gambit by Robert. In truth, I could DoW the HRE if I wanted over claims Robert now has to neighboring land around Flanders now held held by the Empire. But I won't. The Duke of Normandy (and now Duke of Flanders) is far too powerful already, and yes, likely very rich. As for claims in England, I doubt Uhtræd's marriage provides that in any way unless/until one of his children wishes to make a play and gets massive support from the Emperor (or somehow becomes Emperor himself.)

Basically William rescued Harold from a shipwreck and he stayed for a while 'as his guest' in Normandy. It was during this time they made the deal about the kingship and the intermarried between the two houses. Ingame, I would quite like it for you to be able to capture forgiven nobles and rulers and get deals out of them, moreso than we have already (at the moment capturing the ruler only means you instant win the war). This could be to get tribute, or to decide who the next ruler will be after their death or lots of other things. It's a bit tricky to imagine it in this game right now so that's why I said it would be something for ck3.
 

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I don't want to forget to respond to stnylan's mid-post comment so a bit of early fb-fb:

To be honest I have a hard time of thinking of Skuli as old as well, though he has surely been about a bit now as well.
Eadgar, Skuli and Robert are all in their 50's by now. Not old in modern thought, but pretty advanced for the time. And Skuli has the added benefit of having been once the Marshal for Norway before he was allowed to come home. His is a full life, and one more reason to give the man full props. ;)

Only eleven, and so headstrong! But also very dependent on her councillors, of course. She is but a pawn...for now.
"For now" is entirely right. This girl will be around for some time (not to give too much away.) She was headstrong at 11...what will she be when she grows to maturity?

I feel I might know some of the inspiration for Wulfrun :)

It does feel that, with a little maturity, she could become someone to be feared.
You may with a young headstrong girl yourself. :D I based much of this on my own experience with two nieces and two little sisters who would not give in for any matter. My youngest sister had a phrase which she used often when she was but a tiny tot - "I will!" That seemed rather appropriate for Duke Eadwin's granddaughter. ;)

The Hwicce blood certainly runs strong in her veins, tempered though it is by her age and her regency -- and those stats are incredible for her age, considering she doesn't have an education trait yet! She's definitely one worth keeping an eye on.
Runs strong indeed. Absolutely one to keep an eye on and as I said to stnylan above, she is her grandfather's girl even if she never met the man. Like I said, I had some fun with this scene.

Basically William rescued Harold from a shipwreck and he stayed for a while 'as his guest' in Normandy. It was during this time they made the deal about the kingship and the intermarried between the two houses. Ingame, I would quite like it for you to be able to capture forgiven nobles and rulers and get deals out of them, moreso than we have already (at the moment capturing the ruler only means you instant win the war). This could be to get tribute, or to decide who the next ruler will be after their death or lots of other things. It's a bit tricky to imagine it in this game right now so that's why I said it would be something for ck3.
Ahh...I did not consider that time. I'm not sure I would call it a full on rescue, but I get your point. Still not sure what small claim Uhtræd or sons may have to compare to that scenario. I don't see it as a clear analogy. Once more...shorthand.

I would most certainly agree that the game might better model how a King would treat his Lords and this one does not do that unless that is better reflected in future DLCs. And to be sure, given the time frame, more consideration might be given to how "things changed" but they do well enough to model the period with out too much complaint. Indeed, give us CKIII. Of all games, I would be most interested in that. ;)
 

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An interesting and precocious new character this Duchess. I look forward to seeing more of her. You do write female characters well
 

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The duchess of Mercia could end up becoming the most powerful person in the realm - I suspect that is a good reason why we get a look at the happenings of the conclusion to her war here. She is learning lessons on the cold hard way of things at an early age as well. She will likely be a formidable foe for Eadgar or both princes (her grandfather did mess around in Wales after all) - or a very valuable ally.
 

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One thing I have learnt from reading many AARs, especially bullfighters talking turkey (HOI3) is that most of paradox's games can play very similarly depending on who you pay as. That story is interesting because no one really knows what's going to happen to turkey because so much has changed from the normal railroaded path.
But in ck, esepcslly in earlier starts, anything can happen and frequently does. Even with general wisdom such as the fragility of the HRE and the Byzantine empire, there's still a different game pretty much garunteed whenever you play it, which is of course right because this is the period in history where anyone could rise to the top or create a new state with relative ease compared to later centuries.
That's probably why this part of the forum is so active too, now that I think about it...
 

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An interesting and precocious new character this Duchess. I look forward to seeing more of her. You do write female characters well
I am pleased to hear it. I thought it was time to include her voice and more than happy to hear that my female characters come across well. I will not deny that I feared I had too many men in the work previously and while I am not one to make a point of "diversity" I do wish to spread out the voices as much as I am able. I will also use this comment to show all the women in my life that I do, in fact, have some level of understanding. ;)

The duchess of Mercia could end up becoming the most powerful person in the realm - I suspect that is a good reason why we get a look at the happenings of the conclusion to her war here. She is learning lessons on the cold hard way of things at an early age as well. She will likely be a formidable foe for Eadgar or both princes (her grandfather did mess around in Wales after all) - or a very valuable ally.
Well considered about little Wulfrun. She won't be little forever. Mercia remains a large realm and whomever rules it has a great deal of power. She is indeed learning early and anyone in the realm would be wise to be her friend.

One thing I have learnt from reading many AARs, especially bullfighters talking turkey (HOI3) is that most of paradox's games can play very similarly depending on who you pay as. That story is interesting because no one really knows what's going to happen to turkey because so much has changed from the normal railroaded path.
But in ck, esepcslly in earlier starts, anything can happen and frequently does. Even with general wisdom such as the fragility of the HRE and the Byzantine empire, there's still a different game pretty much garunteed whenever you play it, which is of course right because this is the period in history where anyone could rise to the top or create a new state with relative ease compared to later centuries.
That's probably why this part of the forum is so active too, now that I think about it...
I will start at the end and say that I agree - this area is especially active and I would most certainly concur that this is likely due to the unique manner of this game. That said, I have suggested for some time that each game in and of itself is a different animal - each person's game. They each must be taken with the shorthand in mind, but considered on their own merits. History and writing alike. :D I've been reading English and Byzantium AARs for over fifteen years at this date and I have yet to find two that are entirely the same. There is always some level of change and that is the joy to read. :)


To all - the next update arrives tomorrow and it is a long one. I told you prior that a familiar figure returns and it caused me to make the most of it. The scene is also rather impactful to the work as a whole and even with its length, there remains a missing scene in the writing. I have written it and you will read it eventually (I hope) but for now this is what was needed to be said. I remain apologetic to all of those that I need to catch up with but nearly all of my free time has been spent writing this work of late. As of today, I began the very last scene. I will explain more when the time comes, but for now - thank you all so much for your continued excellent comments and truly driven following of this AAR. We are far from over so keep your eyes here if you are able. :D