[The Resistance] Game 52 - La Résistance

[PanzerCorps]

Falc didn't sabotage

Given the proposer-sabotages rule, this pretty much confirms him as resistance.

This also confirms with 100% certainty that aedan is a spy since either he sabotaged or wombat whom he cleared did. Wombat isn't certain to be a spy, at all, but I'd say he's the most suspect.

So far I want myself, tamius and falc on the team(me and falc for the obvious reasons, tamius for his early arguments with aedan), but I'll want to reread a bit before adding a fourth person or finalizing these and given it's past midnight and I'm on a phone, it'll have to wait till tomorrow.

However:

Give KACEOY to Falc
Give ITS to Tamius

(I'm not as sure about tamius, but its requires less trust than kaceoy anyway)

 

[aedan777]

Ok, so Panzer confirmed for Falc's spymate. Just one other out there, and while Tamius is the obvious candidate, I think he's more likely being set-up. ITS gives results to all, so less of a need to put it in a spymate's hands.

 

[Falc]

Well, this has taken a turn for the interesting.

I'll remind everyone that Aedan will always happily sabotage mission 1, while I usually don't. That of course says absolutely nothing, but file it away with the rest.

 

[Team Wombat]

Can't say I'm surprised, but that's what happens when you wait until the very end to accept a mission.

Note that if I am a spy, coordinating a sabotage with aedan becomes difficult - how do we work out who sabotages and who doesn't, as we are both spies and neither of us is the mission proposer?

So there's a few possibilities here, from my resistance perspective:

1) Aedan sabotaged, and Panzer was telling the truth about Falc not sabotaging. This doesn't necessarily clear Panzer, mind you, but it is in my mind the most likely scenario.
2) Falc is a spy and sabotaged, and Panzer was lying. A bit of a risk to take with the KACEOY card in play, as two spies become exposed instead of one if just one of them gets exposed. Granted, you also make two goodies toxic as well by using this ploy.
3) Aedan and Falc are both spies, and only one sabotaged. Here also there are 2 possibilities:
3a) Aedan sabotaged, and Falc didn't.
3b) Falc sabotaged, and Aedan didn't. Think we can rule this out, as it would be completely out of character for aedan + plus KACEOY would have been in play, and would also require Panzer to have been lying.

I'd prefer not to have any of Aedan, Falc, or Panzer on the team while we sort things out, so I'm pretty much going to autoreject this first mission proposal from Panzer.

 

[LatinKaiser]

New Resistance game is up!

 

[aedan777]

I'd prefer not to have any of Aedan, Falc, or Panzer on the team while we sort things out, so I'm pretty much going to autoreject this first mission proposal from Panzer.

Obviously I'd prefer a team with me on it, but acknowledging that as extremely unlikely at this point, simply keeping Panzer and Falc off is a good plan, since there's just one other spy out there.

 

[De Chatillôn]

Falc didn't sabotage

Given the proposer-sabotages rule, this pretty much confirms him as resistance.

Can you explain that?

 

[Hazbot]

Can you explain that?

I assume that Panzer means that he used his KACEOY card to see whether it was Falc who sabotaged, it wasn't, and he's relaying that info here.

There are a couple plausible scenarios of which we know one has happened:

1. Panzer is Resistance, therefore Falc is also resistance and Aedan, but not Wombat, is a Spy.
2. Panzer is Resistance, therefore Falc is also resistance and Aedan AND Wombat are both Spies.
3. Panzer is a Spy, therefore Falc is also a Spy and Aedan and Wombat are both Resistance.

Other niche scenarios such as Panzer being a Spy and intentionally throwing a fellow Spy under the bus are omitted for their interestingness.

In any case, it would be good if we could use this round to narrow down which is correct. Although the scenarios where Panzer is Resistance are most likely, we shouldn't take that as a given. In any case, my perfect team would of course contain myself, one of Aedan-Falc-Panzer for maximal information gain, Wombat and De Chat.

If either Wombat or De Chat turn out to be spies, then I'd be quite surprised. Since we can still afford to be sabotaged once, we should prioritise a team that would best help us get a perfect line-up in the next round, even if that means putting a potential dodgy on-board.

 

[tamius23]

Can you explain that?

There's a rule of thumb in Resistance that if there are multiple spies on a team, then the spy who proposed the team sabotages it and the rest support.

Since Falc was the proposer and supported (according to Panzer), then either Falc is Resistance or there were multiple spies and they didn't follow the rule. Or Panzer is lying.

 

[Falc]

Can you explain that?

There is a sort-of unwritten rule floating around that, if a Spy proposes a team, then any other Spies on the team should not sabotage. Basically, if Spy 1 makes the decision to include other Spies in his team, then the others should follow his lead.

Panzer is saying that since I made the proposal and I did not sabotage, then either I have a spymate who isn't aware of this 'rule' or one who decided to ignore it or I'm not a spy but I did make the mistake of selecting one. Aedan really threw me off with his voting pattern there.

 

[De Chatillôn]

Ahhh ok , thanks you all. I was reading the rules and didn't find anything

 

[barkardes]

Aedan or falc is most likely spy.I'm not sure which one is spy for now.
Edit:There was a lot of messages sent while I wasn't looking.It looks that everything has messed up with aedan and panzer accusing each other .Good thing to have information though.

 

[tamius23]

barkardes, while you're online, could you explain why you approved all the proposals in order "to get information"? What was your thought process there?

 

[barkardes]

I approved all of them because we just didn't have any information at the start.I mean,how could we select a good team while our only information was "If Aedan is resistance,wombat is clearly a resistance".It didn't matter which team it was,because I knew nothing about them.

 

[aedan777]

What's with the nonsense about the "rules" for multiple spies? First there was no more than one spy on the team, but even if there was, you guys are using the wrong rules. It's a chain spy game, which means a different rule is used- One sabotages unless they know another spy is on the team. Falc's obviously pretending to be ignorant of this and the chain spy rules since it would make him look like he knows more about what is going on and thus a spy.

 

[PanzerCorps]

What's with the nonsense about the "rules" for multiple spies? First there was no more than one spy on the team, but even if there was, you guys are using the wrong rules. It's a chain spy game, which means a different rule is used- One sabotages unless they know another spy is on the team. Falc's obviously pretending to be ignorant of this and the chain spy rules since it would make him look like he knows more about what is going on and thus a spy.

Huh, you're right.

I know it's a bit unfair, but this just made me more confident that Falc and Tamius are resistance.

So, to recap, some thoughts on everyone:

1. Jacksonian Missionary

I'm really not sure, here. He voiced very strong objections against teams with Aedan on them, but it could just as easily be a decoy. My "always assume the simplest possibility" rule which has served me well so far says I should trust him, but there's something about the way he voiced them that I just don't like, and I also don't like how he seems to have grown more silent since others pointed this out.

2. Aedan777

Known spy. For reasons, see above.

3. Tamius23

I'm assuming he's resistance for now.

4. Wombat

No longer any more likely than anyone else to be resistance. Now, is he more likely to be a spy? He was on a sabotaged mission, but I know of at least one (other?) spy on that mission, so that doesn't mean much. He gave a scanning card to a spy, but a resistance member may just as well do that, and I can easily see aedan clear a resistance member. None of those mean much on their own, but taken together, I think they should count for something... maybe. I mean, the first of these leads to the others, so it wouldn't be too massive a coincidence.

5. De Chatillôn

Approved the first 2 teams which had Aedan on them, then rejected the third one(which didn't have aedan on it) and approved the fourth(which had him on it). Then again, I did the same. But still, my reasons were stated very clearly. His, less so. I'm not putting DeChat on any teams for now.

6. Hazbot

I like the way he's been behaving and his voting record. Nothing outstanding to report.

7. Barkardes

Generally quiet, approved everything. Nothing wrong with that, but with absolutely no offense meant(no, really), I'd rather have more active people on teams - the resistance has lost too many times because quiet people are easy scapegoats.

8. Falc

I'm assuming him to be resistance for now.

All things considered, I will propose:

Panzer
Falc
Tamius
Hazbot

It was a close one between Hazbot and Jacksonian, but eh... The fourth person should have ITS played on them anyway.

Approve

 

[aedan777]

Reject

 

[De Chatillôn]

5. De Chatillôn

Approved the first 2 teams which had Aedan on them, then rejected the third one(which didn't have aedan on it) and approved the fourth(which had him on it). Then again, I did the same. But still, my reasons were stated very clearly. His, less so. I'm not putting DeChat on any teams for now.

Sooo, you're accusing me of being an spy for doing exactly the same as you. That's funny

 

[De Chatillôn]

I don't trust anything of this. And Panzer didn't convince me at all with that thing about the rule that makes Falc Resistance.

Reject.

 

[aedan777]

Sooo, you're accusing me of being an spy for doing exactly the same as you. That's funny

Well if he knows a spy did it (himself), then it must be good reasoning to find a scapegoat.