[The Resistance] Game 52 - La Résistance

[Team Wombat]

Seriously? I happily offer myself to be scanned by someone you know to be resistance, and argue with Falc when he opposes that, and you still refuse to trust me? I don't need to be on a team for us to win, but this is getting absurd with how much you people are absolutely refusing to trust me when there is no clear reason to distrust me over Falc and Panzer. Sure "there are more possibilities", but 10 possibilities that have a 1% chance each are worth less than a single possibility with a 90% chance.

Yes, clearly I should trust you blindly, because you've never, ever managed to fool anyone in this game before, and Resistance members are clearly immune to giving confusing advice.

Look, I explained why tamius checking Aedan was less than optimal. If tamius says Aedan's a spy, then the ONLY thing we know for certain is that Aedan's a spy. The rest remains uncertain. If tamius says Aedan is resistance, we end up with 3 cleared people and the 6 others perfectly split between two possible spy teams.

I don't know about you all, but neither of those seemed useful. We don't need to put Aedan on any mission anyway and the other option would be a coin toss.

No, assuming tamius confirmed aedan was a spy, the only things everyone would have known is that aedan is a spy, Falc couldn't have sabotaged mission 1, De Chat and I couldn't have sabotaged mission 2, making tamius and Hazbot the only 2 possibilities for active Mission 2 spies, etc, etc... Then we would have had things such as basic logic (i.e., barkades' voting record) to work through who to trust.

 

[De Chatillôn]

I'm not doing that, but I'm not thrilled when I'm left off missions and you go around approving willy nilly. That's not the point though, because with your post, it comes off as you intimidating us into accepting this which I'm getting bad vibes about.

I didn't approve willy nilly and you don't need excuses to reject all the teams of this game, so not necessary making excuses for this one either. I think you're resistance but at the same time I think your way of playing is really bad for the Resistance cause when rejecting all the teams if you're not part of them you're forcing us always to approve the last team.

 

[aedan777]

Yes, clearly I should trust you blindly, because you've never, ever managed to fool anyone in this game before, and Resistance members are clearly immune to giving confusing advice.

It isn't blind trust if I've consistently acted like a resistance member and remained active and helpful when everyone and their mother has been convinced I was a spy. If I was a spy, then I'd have two spymates that hadn't been revealed at all, and could have safely sat back and watch the resistance fumble around. Instead I've been adamant about not just distrusting Falc and Panzer, but about using cards for maximum effectiveness, rather than maximum waste like Falc and Panzer have. I know you're resistance, so stop acting so excessively paranoid. Just because I'm a good player doesn't mean I should never be trusted, that's just as bad, if not worse, than trusting people blindly.

 

[EnvyDemon]

@tamius23 @Falc

 

[tamius23]

Oh, haven't voted. Sorry, was caught up in WW Big stuff.

Since most of the proposers are apparently going to hold us to ransom, may as well

APPROVE

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

So I'm leaving him off the team for exercising good and cautious play. Sorry, cousin.

I feel like this line pretty much sums up the entire game for me so far. Getting passed over for being cautious and playing sensibly.

 

[Team Wombat]

I feel like this line pretty much sums up the entire game for me so far. Getting passed over for being cautious and playing sensibly.

Problem is it doesn't tell us anything about you, either.

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

Problem is it doesn't tell us anything about you, either.

I think it's pretty telling that there is only one possible team that I could be a spy out of 10 possible spy teams.

 

[aedan777]

I think it's pretty telling that there is only one possible team that I could be a spy out of 10 possible spy teams.

Falc's done an excellent job of misdirection and muddling the waters with his list of possible spy teams. Said list is useful for determining which spies fit together, but absolutely useless for determining likelihood of teams. All possibilities do not have equal probability. Even besides the obvious case of everyone knowing their own role, there's also the point to be made about behaviour and voting patterns. Ignoring all of that to look at a list and say that the number of times a person appears is the likelyhood they are a spy. It's foolish and dangerous play, which Falc is using to manipulate the resistance to more easily accept the lie that I am a spy.

 

[Falc]

I'm sorry, have I *ever* during this game said that "the number of times a person appears is the likelyhood they are a spy"? No. Others have said things that approach it, but I certainly haven't because I know it's flawed.

I *have* been driving towards leaving us with the least amount of possibilities. Now maybe there were better choices, but I doubt they were hugely better.


Anyhoo, REJECT.

 

[EnvyDemon]

My apologizes, a vote count will be in by 7pm PST.

 

[Team Wombat]

My apologizes, a vote count will be in by 7pm PST.

how dare you have a life...

 

[PanzerCorps]

JermanTK is withholding the votecount to give us a chance to change our votes because he knows this team will end the game.

Trust me I'm a prolific GM.

 

[EnvyDemon]

JermanTK is withholding the votecount to give us a chance to change our votes because he knows this team will end the game.

Trust me I'm a prolific GM.

Or I'm in class right now and have to do things afterwords.

I'd do an impromptu one, but I would need to have up to date information.

Also, votes are locked so you may not change them.

 

[PanzerCorps]

I was only kidding

 

[De Chatillôn]

I want to change my vote, I lynch Panzer Commader. I just realized he's not a commander.

 

[EnvyDemon]

Wombat's Proposal of Barkardes, Chatillon, Tamius and himself was Rejected 6-3

Rejected: Falc, Jacksonian, Panzer, Wombat, Tamius, Hazbot

Approved: Aedan, Barkardes, Chatillon

@De Chatillôn it is your turn to propose a team of 4.

 

[De Chatillôn]

Wombat and Tamius rejected the team??

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

Wombat and Tamius rejected the team??

If you try and handcuff us and propose the same team you are not working in the best interest of the Resistance.

 

[Team Wombat]

Wombat and Tamius rejected the team??

I wanted to see if Hazbot would try to approve the team and end the game with a spy victory, which he could do if you were a spy. Guess not.