Actually, you should start te ball rolling yourself. Don't hand out the cards jut yet, just look at what we know and who you would give these cards to.
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Strong Leader & KACEOY are both cards that players can keep in reserve and play later; Jacksonian Missionary and Hazbot already have cards so to minimize the damage they can cause in case they are Spies, I recommend excluding them from cards this turn.
Strong Leader is an extremely overpowered card and Spies can use it to devastating effect. It is imperative that you keep it out of the hands of likely Spies. In my opinion, the least likely Spies are those who voted to Reject last mission -- me and aedan777 (Jacksonian Missionary is also an unlikely Spy, but has a card already).
The second KACEOY is not nearly as potent as Strong Leader. Give it to someone who doesn't have a card whom you suspect least.
Also, known knowns:
1. At least one of Jerman TK/Jacksonian Missionary/Hazbot/Ironhead 5 is a Spy.
2. If Jerman TK is a Spy, then so is Haresus.
Well damn, I was so unfocused I completely forgot about the card. I'm more inclined to think Hazbot is more likely resistance due to the team he proposed. So looking at the trio of Ironhead, Jerman, and Haresus, I'd wager that IH is the spy
Why is Haresus in that trio? He is inextricably linked to Jerman TK; the trio ought to be me, Jerman TK, and Hazbot, with Haresus as a straphanger on Jerman TK.
I think the question of why Haresus chose Jerman TK, and why he demanded Jerman TK open up back to him, are important. Occam's Razor suggests that Haresus is a Spy, who knew Jerman TK to be a Spy, and had Jerman TK open up back to him to reveal to Jerman TK that he (Haresus) is also a fellow Spy. Subsequently, Jerman TK sabotaged the mission.
But perhaps Haresus can explain his card distribution decision to convince us otherwise.
So Jacksonian already has a KACEOY, and Hazbot has In the Spotlight. This other KACEOY should go to someone else I think, and then all three of these must be used this team. If a second sabotaged team occurs then these cards become worthless. Strong leader is dangerous in spy hands, but we can't be sure of much at this stage. I know I'm resistance, so I'd certainly like to see myself receive one of these cards.
I considered the option of Occam's razor, but I doubt that Haresus would be so obvious by picking a spy mate out in the open. I'll hold judgement till Haresus explains his rationale
I'm willing to use In the Spotlight on myself to prove that I'm trustworthy, but should someone else be singled out as the likely suspect I'd put it on them instead. That's of course no guarantee that the next mission turns out our way at all.
Tentative plan- not actual. THIS IS NOT AN ORDER.
-KACEOY- Falc
-Strong Leader- Aedan777
What do you guys think?
-KACEOY- Falc
-Strong Leader- Aedan777
What do you guys think?
I think you have to use it on another player. Besides, with all three cards in play we ought to be able to establish a chain of players checking each other; having you check yourself would take out a link in that chain.
I am comfortable with aedan777 getting Strong Leader.
I am entirely uncomfortable with Falc getting KACEOY. First of all, since he is evidently your consigliere, the very idea of him benefiting from his supposedly altruistic advising of you reeks of corruption. Second of all, whoever gets the KACEOY card ought to be on this next mission. Why should we put Falc on this next mission?
I found Jerman to be very insistent on seeing a different M1 team, and that made me suspicious. The team made sense to everyone and it seemed like Jerman was either trying to get a good team switched out or just get goodie points if the spy on the mission sabotaged, by being sceptical. I was wrong, but it was my best hunch at the time. Since there was no sabotage, there was a chance that the M1 team was full of goodies and I thought it was better to get a fourth guy more clear than to rely on popular opinion.
Why I wanted him to tell me? Because I did not trust any of you to not be a spy, nor did I want him to pick for himself, if he was a spy.
Why I wanted him to tell me? Because I did not trust any of you to not be a spy, nor did I want him to pick for himself, if he was a spy.
The fact you are so insistent on your acquisition of myself for the sabotage, rather than looking at other candidates makes me suspect you sabotaged it and are trying to pin both me and Haresus as spies to make yourself look innocent.
I also think that JermanTK should be given KACEOY or Strong Leader, preferably both really. The other one should go to Aedan/Ironhead for rejecting this mission. I do not trust Falc enough for him to get a card, I kinda want to agree that Ironhide should be given a chance but I also think that such a plea could easily be a spy hiding his true motives under a veil of altruism, as Ironhead pointed out.
Although it's far from sure that the first mission was spy-free, I'm inclined to think that Haresus and Jerman are both spies. Even if Haresus wanted Jerman to open up to him, it would make much more sense to open up to someone from the first team, since they're more likely resistance than Haresus is.
In fact, given that we're playing with chain-spies, which changes the dynamics somewhat, I wouldn't be surprised if Haresus knew Jerman was a spy, but not vice versa. Jerman being declared resistance by Haresus then gives him lots more information.
Edit: That post by Haresus that he pre-empted me with is a massive red flag. Personally I don't see anything wrong with giving some people multiple cards - if anything, by spreading them around you're almost certain to give one to a spy, and if, say, Health got both the KACIOUs then that could have some interesting and potentially useful consequences. (Obviously he'd use them on the next mission and on different people.)
In fact, given that we're playing with chain-spies, which changes the dynamics somewhat, I wouldn't be surprised if Haresus knew Jerman was a spy, but not vice versa. Jerman being declared resistance by Haresus then gives him lots more information.
Edit: That post by Haresus that he pre-empted me with is a massive red flag. Personally I don't see anything wrong with giving some people multiple cards - if anything, by spreading them around you're almost certain to give one to a spy, and if, say, Health got both the KACIOUs then that could have some interesting and potentially useful consequences. (Obviously he'd use them on the next mission and on different people.)
You want to give a player both cards? That is not a smart move by any means
I would like to point out that I have merely been giving Ironhide some gameplay advice and that none of it has been pro-myself in any way. You may doublecheck that.
I would argue that I'm probably not the best one to receive a card since I'm totally unknown and there's people we do have info on.
KACEOY is also one of those cards that is not such a big deal if a Spy gets it. So let's focus on who gets the Strong Leader.
I would argue that I'm probably not the best one to receive a card since I'm totally unknown and there's people we do have info on.
KACEOY is also one of those cards that is not such a big deal if a Spy gets it. So let's focus on who gets the Strong Leader.
Furthermore, I hope that Aedan will propose a sensible team so that it gets approved and Jerman can hand out cards next mission. Once Ironhide has handed out cards and proposed a team, I would love to hear what Aedan would propose so that I can make an informed decision on whether to approve or reject.
Haresus is right, we do need a sensible team. Which is why I would request that Haresus and Jerman be left off the team this time around.