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It is a smart move because I know that he is a fellow Resistance member. I know it will not win a lot of support, which is why I think Aedan/Ironhide are okay candidates too.
And you think I'm not?
 

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Haresus is right, we do need a sensible team. Which is why I would request that Haresus and Jerman be left off the team this time around.
I think the team ought to be the three cardholders, plus one extra. The three cardholders would all play their cards on each other in a chain, and if their cards do not reveal that any of the three of them sabotage the mission, then we would know that the fourth player sabotaged the mission. For that reason, I would actually want Jerman TK to be that fourth player -- because if we catch him as the saboteur, we then know that Haresus is also a Spy.

Of course, this all assumes that the Spies sabotage the mission. If they do not sabotage, they are straight up fucked for the rest of the game. They require two sabotages for the fourth mission, and since they do not know all of the other Spies, it will be revealing -- not only in whom they want to get onto that team, but also in the number of sabotages that the M4 team incurs (best case scenario is that M4 fails with four sabotages). So I think we can assume that the Spies will sabotage M3, and will risk allowing one of their own to be exposed in the sabotage.
 

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Well I know I can trust myself, so I'd put myself on a team. Besides that I think it would be better to have both KACEOYs on the team so we can have a chain. In the spotlight doesn't need to though, since that's revealed publically. So I'd put Jacksonian on the team, whomever gets the other KACEOY, and no idea for the third. Both Ironhead and Jerman have points for and against them, so I'm reluctant to put either on the team. In the spotlight should be played on Jacksonian, he'll KACEOY the other one who gets a KACEOY, and he'll KACEOY the last player. This should maximize information and give us the highest chance of either passing the team or catching a spy. I'm not sure much about who should receive the other KACEOY or be the last member of the team, besides not anyone from the failed team and probably not Haresus either. If Jerman is a spy, so is Haresus, and even if Jerman is resistance, that doesn't clear Haresus.
 

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I think it's a stupid move to leave me off the team.

I will not approve a team without myself on it, I hope my fellow resistance members do the same.

Furthermore, I will not approve a team with Ironhead on it.
 

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I think it's a stupid move to leave me off the team.

I will not approve a team without myself on it, I hope my fellow resistance members do the same.

Furthermore, I will not approve a team with Ironhead on it.

If you're going to make such demands, don't be surprised if you're left off the teams.
 

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And you think I'm not?

A fellow Resistance member or a good candidate for KACEOY/Strong Leader? Well, to start with you already have KACEOY, I gave it to you, and refused to use it on anyone, even though you had a great chance to use KACEOY on Jerman in order to verify my claim and narrow down the suspects, or delay he sabotage altogethert. This criticism goes for Hazbot too.
Secondly, I know that at least one of you, Hazbot or Ironhead must be a spy while I know that Jerman must be Resistance.
Thirdly, Aedan and Ironhead both rejected the failed team, you did not.

So no, you should not get another card, you are a horrible candidate for being given cards now. Just atrocious.
But are you a spy? I think that is a tossup between Hazbot and you at the moment, if we assume there is only one spy among the failed team.
 

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If you're going to make such demands, don't be surprised if you're left off the teams.

I'm not really this demanding in resistance, but I'm going to here, because I'm confirmed resistance.
 

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I think the team ought to be the three cardholders, plus one extra. The three cardholders would all play their cards on each other in a chain, and if their cards do not reveal that any of the three of them sabotage the mission, then we would know that the fourth player sabotaged the mission. For that reason, I would actually want Jerman TK to be that fourth player -- because if we catch him as the saboteur, we then know that Haresus is also a Spy.

Of course, this all assumes that the Spies sabotage the mission. If they do not sabotage, they are straight up fucked for the rest of the game. They require two sabotages for the fourth mission, and since they do not know all of the other Spies, it will be revealing -- not only in whom they want to get onto that team, but also in the number of sabotages that the M4 team incurs (best case scenario is that M4 fails with four sabotages). So I think we can assume that the Spies will sabotage M3, and will risk allowing one of their own to be exposed in the sabotage.
So, to get this straight, you want the team to be the three cardholders (I assume you mean the three sabotage checking cards), which currently are Jacksonian and Hazbot, with a yet to be decided third. Then you want Jerman as the fourth member. So you want everyone from the previous sabotaged team on this team, with the possible exception of yourself. The only member you'd know to be resistance. This team would be absolutely guaranteed to be sabotaged (unless you were the only spy on the previous team, but that's difficult to assume here). Which seems to be your goal, to catch a spy, but your plan would only work if we assume that there's only 1 spy on the team. Multiple spies cause it to blow up. I'd much prefer an effort be made to get a team that has a chance of actually passing sabotage free.
 

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I'm not really this demanding in resistance, but I'm going to here, because I'm confirmed resistance.
You are not confirmed anything
 

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OK... Potential cardaand team- what do you guys think?

Strong Leader- Aedan777

KACEOY- Hazbot

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Ironhide G1- only person whom I can fully trust.
Jacksonian Missionary
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Questions comments/ concerns/ problems/suggestions/potential changes?
 

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I'd like to be on it, perhaps in place of Hazbot.
 

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So, to get this straight, you want the team to be the three cardholders (I assume you mean the three sabotage checking cards), which currently are Jacksonian and Hazbot, with a yet to be decided third. Then you want Jerman as the fourth member. So you want everyone from the previous sabotaged team on this team, with the possible exception of yourself. The only member you'd know to be resistance. This team would be absolutely guaranteed to be sabotaged (unless you were the only spy on the previous team, but that's difficult to assume here). Which seems to be your goal, to catch a spy, but your plan would only work if we assume that there's only 1 spy on the team. Multiple spies cause it to blow up. I'd much prefer an effort be made to get a team that has a chance of actually passing sabotage free.
Yes. It is very likely that this mission will be sabotaged, so I want us to be in a position to maximize information from it. You evidently want to shoot blindly in the dark in the scant hope that we can blunder our way into a clean team.
 

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With this team I'd have Hazbot play his KACEOY on me and I'd play mine on Aedan. I'm not sure about approving a mission with you yet though. But this isn't a terrible proposal by any means
 

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Yes. It is very likely that this mission will be sabotaged, so I want us to be in a position to maximize information from it. You evidently want to shoot blindly in the dark in the scant hope that we can blunder our way into a clean team.
Not taking the exact team that was just sabotaged is not "blindly shooting in the dark". It's common sense.
 

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Aw, I missed sign ups, by a lot, which is a good sign I shouldn't have played. :p

Anyway, 50 games already! Didn't seem to long ago and I was starting out on game 8.
 

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As much as it is important to find out who's a spy and who's not, I'm hesitant to throw my support behind this team, the spy might just choose to sabotage even if they know it will reveal them because with a possible 3 spies among the remaining players, finding out the identity of one spy won't make us much safer.